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Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by fariszr »

fullstackwife wrote: post #12
fariszr wrote: post #7

These flash models keep getting more expensive with every release. Is there an OSS model that's better than 2.0 flash with similar pricing, speed and a 1m context window? Edit: this is not the typical flash model, it's actually an insane value if the benchmarks match real world usage. > Gemini 3 Flash achieves a score of 78%, outperforming not only the 2.5 series, but also Gemini 3 Pro. It strikes an ideal balance fo…

cost of e2e task resolution should be cheaper, even if single inference cost is higher, you need fewer loops to solve a problem now

Sure, but for simple tasks that require a large context window, aka the typical usecase for 2.0 flash, it's still significantly more expensive.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by minimaxir »

meetpateltech wrote: post #2

Deepmind Page: https://deepmind.google/models/gemini/flash/ Developer Blog: https://blog.google/technology/developers/build-with-gemini-... Model Card [pdf]: https://deepmind.google/models/model-cards/gemini-3-flash/ Gemini 3 Flash in Search AI mode: https://blog.google/products/search/google-ai-mode-update-ge...

Documentation for Gemini 3 Flash in particular: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/gemini-3

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by _lvbh »

Thinking along the line of speed, I wonder if a model that can reason and use tools at 60fps would be able to control a robot with raw instructions and perform skilled physical work currently limited by the text-only output of LLMs. Also helps that the Gemini series is really good at multimodal processing with images and audio. Maybe they can also encode sensory inputs in a similar way.

Pipe dream right now, but 50 years later? Maybe

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by aoeusnth1 »

fariszr wrote: post #7

These flash models keep getting more expensive with every release. Is there an OSS model that's better than 2.0 flash with similar pricing, speed and a 1m context window? Edit: this is not the typical flash model, it's actually an insane value if the benchmarks match real world usage. > Gemini 3 Flash achieves a score of 78%, outperforming not only the 2.5 series, but also Gemini 3 Pro. It strikes an ideal balance fo…

I think it's good, they're raising the size (and price) of flash a bit and trying to position Flash as an actually useful coding / reasoning model. There's always lite for people who want dirt cheap prices and don't care about quality at all.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by bearjaws »

I've been using the preview flash model exclusively since it came out, the speed and quality of response is all I need at the moment. Although still using Claude Code w/ Opus 4.5 for dev work.

Google keeps their models very "fresh" and I tend to get more correct answers when asking about Azure or O365 issues, ironically copilot will talk about now deleted or deprecated features more often.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by minimaxir »

GaggiX wrote: post #3

They went too far, now the Flash model is competing with their Pro version. Better SWE-bench, better ARC-AGI 2 than 3.0 Pro. I imagine they are going to improve 3.0 Pro before it's no more in Preview. Also I don't see it written in the blog post but Flash supports more granular settings for reasoning: minimal, low, medium, high (like openai models), while pro is only low and high.

"minimal" is a bit weird.

> Matches the “no thinking” setting for most queries. The model may think very minimally for complex coding tasks. Minimizes latency for chat or high throughput applications.

I'd prefer a hard "no thinking" rule than what this is.

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by BeetleB »

Tiberium wrote: post #15

Yet again Flash receives a notable price hike: from $0.3/$2.5 for 2.5 Flash to $0.5/$3 (+66.7% input, +20% output) for 3 Flash. Also, as a reminder, 2 Flash used to be $0.1/$0.4.

Yes, but this Flash is a lot more powerful - beating Gemini 3 Pro on some benchmarks (and pretty close on others).

I don't view this as a "new Flash" but as "a much cheaper Gemini 3 Pro/GPT-5.2"

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by esafak »

samyok wrote: post #4

Don’t let the “flash” name fool you, this is an amazing model. I have been playing with it for the past few weeks, it’s genuinely my new favorite; it’s so fast and it has such a vast world knowledge that it’s more performant than Claude Opus 4.5 or GPT 5.2 extra high, for a fraction (basically order of magnitude less!!) of the inference time and price

What are you using it for and what were you using before?

Re: Gemini 3 Flash: Frontier intelligence built for speed

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Post by __jl__ »

This is awesome. No preview release either, which is great to production.

They are pushing the prices higher with each release though: API pricing is up to $0.5/M for input and $3/M for output

For comparison:

Gemini 3.0 Flash: $0.50/M for input and $3.00/M for output

Gemini 2.5 Flash: $0.30/M for input and $2.50/M for output

Gemini 2.0 Flash: $0.15/M for input and $0.60/M for output

Gemini 1.5 Flash: $0.075/M for input and $0.30/M for output (after price drop)

Gemini 3.0 Pro: $2.00/M for input and $12/M for output

Gemini 2.5 Pro: $1.25/M for input and $10/M for output

Gemini 1.5 Pro: $1.25/M for input and $5/M for output

I think image input pricing went up even more.

Correction: It is a preview model...

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