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Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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The Mozilla Corporation has earned around USD ~500 million in 2023. The Mozilla Foundation has received around USD ~26 million in 2023 in donation from the Mozilla Corporation (~70%) and other sources (~30%).

For someone not in the loop, can you explain the difference between the two orgs and maybe even explain what each org uses the money for?

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Unfortunately Firefox is basically already dead, it has an incredibly small market share and it will never grow again because their leadership is affected by the corporate mind virus. I know most HN users are on Firefox, but they should get used to an alternative now, not when its inevitable death happens.

What's a good, non-chromium alternative?

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Unfortunately Firefox is basically already dead, it has an incredibly small market share and it will never grow again because their leadership is affected by the corporate mind virus. I know most HN users are on Firefox, but they should get used to an alternative now, not when its inevitable death happens.

My key problem is not knowing what the real good alternatives are? I've trusted Mozilla for so long that I've fallen out of touch with a market that never really changed as much as it has in the last few years.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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>> He says he could begin to block ad blockers in Firefox and estimates that’d bring in another $150 million, but he doesn’t want to do that. It feels off-mission.

> I read this as “I don't want to but I'll kill AdBlockers in Firefox for buckerinos ”.

I completely disagree. First of all the original quote is paraphrasing, so we don't know in which tone it was delivered, but calling something "off-mission" doesn't at all sound like "we'd do it for money" to me.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Sincerely, I'm just using Firefox ATM because of Sidebery.

If I could use something similar on Brave, I would go back in an instant.

My main issues with FF are that it is a battery hog on MacOS, doesn't have AV1 playing capabilities (or it has, but I would need to go through some configuring that I don't need to do in other browsers) and sometimes it stalls in certain pages (that's probably not FF fault, but that the web developers don't optimize for it... but still, it's not a problem on Brave, so, I don't really care for apologising for it).

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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Genuinely can someone with knowledge of the business explain why they aren't simply doubling down on making Firefox better? Is there an existential problem facing them that they are trying to solve by adding AI into the browser?

No knowledge of the business. But I think it's because of the underlying question that plagues Mozilla: How will that make money?

it's a completely obvious "problem" -- more users are easier to monetize, even if they "simply" go the Wikipedia donations model

many people stated that they are happy to do targeted donations (ie. money earmarked strictly for Firefox development only, and it cannot be used for bullshit outreach programs and other fluff)

and if they figure out the funding for the browser (and other "value streams") then they can put the for-profit opt-in stuff on top

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

#29

Unfortunately Firefox is basically already dead, it has an incredibly small market share and it will never grow again because their leadership is affected by the corporate mind virus. I know most HN users are on Firefox, but they should get used to an alternative now, not when its inevitable death happens.

My key problem is not knowing what the real good alternatives are? I've trusted Mozilla for so long that I've fallen out of touch with a market that never really changed as much as it has in the last few years.

I simply don't think there's an alternative that will tick all the boxes between UX, privacy, support, etc.

Re: Is Mozilla trying hard to kill itself?

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We are missing the context how the statement was said in the interview. The CEO is new and not used to the scrutiny that position brings, especially for Mozillas CEO given their purported ideals. It is quite possible he said this as something absurd -> "If making money was our only goal we would have some other options. We could for example disable all adblockers, to get more money from our advertising sponsor Google, at least 150 million USD. But we can not and won't do that, as it would feel completely off-mission for everyone and harm us long-term. So we always keep our mission in mind." Then the journalists shortens it to the blip in the verge article and the reaction twists it around a bit more, assuming disabling adblockers was on the table as a serious suggestion.

Or it could be it really was on the table since they just entered the advertising business and think AI is the future of Mozilla, a "fuck those freeloaders", heartfelt from the Porsche driving MBAs in Mozilla's management. Who knows. But it's a choice which interpretation one assumes.

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