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I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by guerrilla »

nottorp wrote: post #3
wccrawford wrote: post #2

It's the curse of writing well. ChatGPT is designed to write well, and so everyone who does that is accused of being AI. I just saw someone today that multiple people accused of using ChatGPT, but their post was one solid block of text and had multiple grammar errors. But they used something similar to the way ChatGPT speaks, so they got accused of it and the accusers got massive upvotes.

Actually it's public info that ChatGPT was originally trained by speakers of some african business english "dialect". https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/apr/16/techscape... They said nigerian but there may be a common way English is taught in the entire area. Maybe the article author will chip in. > ChatGPT is designed to write well If you define well as overly verbose, avoiding anything that could be consid…

> They said nigerian but there may be a common way English is taught in the entire area.

Nigeria and Kenya are two very different regions with different spheres of business. I don't know, but I wouldn't expect the English to overlap that much.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by rich_sasha »

wccrawford wrote: post #2

It's the curse of writing well. ChatGPT is designed to write well, and so everyone who does that is accused of being AI. I just saw someone today that multiple people accused of using ChatGPT, but their post was one solid block of text and had multiple grammar errors. But they used something similar to the way ChatGPT speaks, so they got accused of it and the accusers got massive upvotes.

ChatGPT writes a particular dialect of good writing. Always insisting on cliffhangers towards the summary, or "strong enumerations", like "the candidate turned out to be a bot. Using ChatGPT. Every. Single. Time." And so on.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by embedding-shape »

p410n3 wrote: post #7

I always thought the whole argument was about explicitly using em dash and / or en dash. Aka — and –. Because while people OBVIOUSLY use dashes in writing, humans usually fell back on using the (technically incorrect) hyphen aka the "minus symbol" - because thats whats available on the keyboards and basically no one will care. Seems like, in the biggest game of telephone called the internet, this has devolved into "u…

The funniest thing I see are people who are harking "Eww, you used AI for this and it's bad because of that, I can tell because I used this other AI service who said what you wrote was 90% of AI", completely failing to grasp the irony.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by Timpy »

A lot of training data was curated in Kenya[0]. I would imagine if LLM data was curated in Japan our LLMs would sound a lot like the authors of their most popular English text books. Maybe other common Japanese idioms would leak in to the training data, like "ね" or "でしょう", ChatGPT would say "Don't you agree?" at the end of every message.

[0] https://www.theverge.com/features/23764584/ai-artificial-int...

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by foundddit »

p410n3 wrote: post #7

I always thought the whole argument was about explicitly using em dash and / or en dash. Aka — and –. Because while people OBVIOUSLY use dashes in writing, humans usually fell back on using the (technically incorrect) hyphen aka the "minus symbol" - because thats whats available on the keyboards and basically no one will care. Seems like, in the biggest game of telephone called the internet, this has devolved into "u…

Recently, many people do use the em dash. One big reason is that iOS and I think macOS auto converts a double - into an em dash.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by embedding-shape »

petesergeant wrote: post #11
n4r9 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may be true. I personally didn't get any hint of LLM usage from their writing. Even where they use em-dashes it's for stuff like this: > there is - in my observational opinion - a rather dark and insidious slant to it That feels too authentic and personal to be any of the current generation of LLMs.

ChatGPT would have used an actual em dash instead of a hyphen

Add "Always use dash instead of em dash" to the developer/system prompt, and that's never an "issue" anymore. Seems people forget LLMs are really just programmable (sometimes inaccurate) computers. Whatever you can come up with a signal, someone can come up with an instruction to remove.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by rukshn »

I had a similar experience. We were talking about a colleague for using ChatGPT in our WhatsApp group chat to sound smart and coming up with interesting points. The talk sounds so mechanical and sounds exactly as ChatGPT.

His responses in Zoom Calls were the same mechanical and sounds like AI generated. I even checked one of his responses in WhatsApp if it's AI by asking the Meta AI whether it's AI written, and Meta AI also agreed that it's AI written and gave points to why it believes this message was AI written.

When I showed the response to the colleague he swore that he was not using ant AI to write his responses. I believe after he said to me it was not AI written. And now reading this I can imagine that it's not an isolated experience.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

rich_sasha wrote: post #23
wccrawford wrote: post #2

It's the curse of writing well. ChatGPT is designed to write well, and so everyone who does that is accused of being AI. I just saw someone today that multiple people accused of using ChatGPT, but their post was one solid block of text and had multiple grammar errors. But they used something similar to the way ChatGPT speaks, so they got accused of it and the accusers got massive upvotes.

ChatGPT writes a particular dialect of good writing. Always insisting on cliffhangers towards the summary, or "strong enumerations", like "the candidate turned out to be a bot. Using ChatGPT. Every. Single. Time." And so on.

"Every. Single. Time." has been a staple of American online humor for at least a decade. Commonly used, hence commonly used by ChatGPT.

Re: I'm Kenyan. I don't write like ChatGPT, ChatGPT writes like me

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Post by [deleted] »

n4r9 wrote: post #4
wccrawford wrote: post #2

It's the curse of writing well. ChatGPT is designed to write well, and so everyone who does that is accused of being AI. I just saw someone today that multiple people accused of using ChatGPT, but their post was one solid block of text and had multiple grammar errors. But they used something similar to the way ChatGPT speaks, so they got accused of it and the accusers got massive upvotes.

This may be true. I personally didn't get any hint of LLM usage from their writing. Even where they use em-dashes it's for stuff like this: > there is - in my observational opinion - a rather dark and insidious slant to it That feels too authentic and personal to be any of the current generation of LLMs.

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