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If a Meta AI model can read a brain-wide signal, why wouldn't the brain?

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Re: If a Meta AI model can read a brain-wide signal, why wouldn't the brain?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/scicurious-brain/ign...

I'm not 100% sure I'd call that a hallucination, but it's close enough and interesting enough that I'm happy to stand corrected.

When improper use of a statistical model generates bogus inferences in generative AI, we call the result a "hallucination"...

Re: If a Meta AI model can read a brain-wide signal, why wouldn't the brain?

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If this were true wouldn’t fMRI machines cause either loss of consciousness or extreme hallucinations?

I believe in dead salmon, they do.

Thank you for the giggle, I misread this as a statement of faith and a non-sequitur.

Re: If a Meta AI model can read a brain-wide signal, why wouldn't the brain?

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This reminds me of the study about dog poop being aligned to magnetic north/south.[0] It seems a bit silly, but I suspect that more of our life may be effected by biomagnetism than we yet realize. [0] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/1742-9994-10-80

See this pubpeer discussion about critiques of plausibility of the papers conclusions: https://pubpeer.com/publications/155C1B85C0680A558D4431D059A...

Re: If a Meta AI model can read a brain-wide signal, why wouldn't the brain?

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> The result: some of those people showed a response to the magnetic fields on the EEG! I wonder if that correlates with people who believe in astrology.

If you don’t want the EEG to capture your brainwaves you can wear a tin foil hat to lead the magnetic field astray.

Re: If a Meta AI model can read a brain-wide signal, why wouldn't the brain?

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Hmm this leads me to recall a bunch of ancient pseudoscientific sounding beliefs and see whether or not they might be plausibly explained by this mechanism: * Is it possible for humans to get a vague impression of other humans' thoughts via this mechanism? Not via body language, but "telepathy" (it'd obviously only work over very short ranges). If it is possible, maybe it is what some people supposedly feel as "auras…

> If it is possible, maybe it is what some people supposedly feel as "auras"

For what it's worth, I have a disorder that causes me to see "auras" around people quite often. The nature of the disorder is that my brain can't filter out its own sensory noise properly, giving rise to a lot of visual artefacts that non-disordered brains filter out. These range from 'TV static' to stuff that's not a million miles away from diffusion model artefacts, but the auras around people I see pretty much all the time especially against plain backgrounds. It's not very well-known or studied but fMRI studies have recently implicated the same serotonin receptor psychedelics target, and it's also linked to migraine.

I think this disorder being more prevalent than expected would be a good explanation for auras. It was once thought to be very rare, but many people who have it aren't actually affected enough to seek out a diagnosis. It wouldn't be an unreasonable source for images like auras, saints' haloes, and other things like that since they're just an ordinary part of vision for me. I also think it somewhat vindicates Aldous Huxley's thoughts on the subject.

I really like the idea of electrical fields being somehow important for consciousness, and it's not something I'd rule out off the bat. I just think that disorders of perception are a better explanation for auras and similar phenomena.

Re: If a Meta AI model can read a brain-wide signal, why wouldn't the brain?

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Reminds me of a study I read once on binaural beats[0], that found the effect disappeared when they used pneumatic (non-magnetic) headphones.

[0]the theory that playing a different tone in each ear, that when superpositioned by the brain to produce a low frequency, would entrain the brainwave frequency to the modulated frequency.

Re: If a Meta AI model can read a brain-wide signal, why wouldn't the brain?

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This feels just north of conspiracy theory logic. It's proven that humans can just barely sense large-scale magnetic fields, so how about if they can also sense extremely finely detailed fields in a way that solves long-standing philosophical and medical problems? Here are some supporting coincidences that have any number of alternate explanations, but it would sure be cool if this whole tower of conjecture was true,…

> It's proven that humans can just barely sense large-scale magnetic fields

It's tentatively proven that humans react to large magnetic fields. The reaction can come from simple interference, without ever being processed as a sense.

But there's so much more bullshit. That an MEG measurement was decoded only means that the brain produces a magnetic field that correlates with the information it is processing. So there's no Faraday cage in our head. Great. But the brain already knows what it is doing. All that information is there, very fast and reliable. Why should it try to decode its much less detailed and very weak magnetic field then? Where are the sensors? MEG needs super-conduction to work, and doesn't work when there's any disturbance. In the institute where I worked, it was forbidden to use carts (for moving equipment or coffee or whatever) on all floors in the corner where the MEG was located when there was an experiment going on, because it would disturb measurements. A few crystals aren't going to overcome those problems.

> The easier-than-expected problem of consciousness

OMFG. There's really no point in reading this.

Re: If a Meta AI model can read a brain-wide signal, why wouldn't the brain?

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Contrast this with trans-cranial magnetic stimulation and claims this can induce the feeling of religiosity in people: you may believe in god, because your ferromagnetic particles align to believe in god in the right magnetic field.. (not really.. but still. the thing about induced states of mind by TCMS is true)

Maybe there is a correlation between religion and the proximity to power lines.
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