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Japan law opening phone app stores to go into effect

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Re: Japan law opening phone app stores to go into effect

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Post by websiteapi »

redserk wrote: post #16
charcircuit wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The switch eshop has youtube which I would count as social media.

This does not change that: - The Switch is primarily a gaming device for entertainment purposes. - The eShop overwhelmingly focuses on providing games for said entertainment purposes. - It can be assumed that the overwhelming majority of people do not use the Switch, or expect to use the Switch, for general lifestyle purposes. (That said, I wish we lived in a world where the eShop wasn't the only way to get digital g…

It’s sad how arbitrary people define things. Just make all types of digital stores support alternatives. Why are you even arguing about it lol… there’s no excuse to begin with.

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Post by bloppe »

ghurtado wrote: post #7
websiteapi wrote: post #6

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Apple didn’t start that way though. Better to open it up now no? Also, a better law would be making the web first class, not adding more stores, with other gatekeepers…

> Also, a better law would be No, the better law is the one that exists. Yours doesn't.

Are you implying that laws should never be changed?

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Post by al_borland »

socalgal2 wrote: post #5
websiteapi wrote: post #4

Sony and Nintendo stores are still closed I see lol

Sony and Nintendo only sell games. They don't gate access to banks, investments, health insurance, auto insurance, news, movies, social media, car control apps, appliance apps, grocery stores, e-commerce, etc... That's not to say Sony and Nintendo shouldn't be opened too but their impact is much smaller (game devs) than Apple (nearly all businesses)

I just got a PS5 and there are bunch of media apps available. I was looking at moving my AppleTV to a different TV and just using the PS5 on that screen.

On Apple platforms, for most of the things mentioned, web apps are an option and don't have any restrictions. This was Apple's original plan, but the people fought for local apps. Now companies fight for space on people's home screens. If they get an app on the device they can get more info and send notifications and things, which they apparently love. A lot of apps these days are glorified web apps. There are also the ones that exist for a one-time setup, which then sit on people's phones for years. It's kind of a mess the way companies use apps.

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Post by esperent »

linuxhansl wrote: post #14

Nice. Someone is doing something. Apple's app store monopoly together with a 30% commission is a modern form of way-laying. Meanwhile Google is trying to go the opposite way with mandatory developer registration/verification. In the US we will likely let them. Who needs freedom if there is money to make (and Google is just making a fake security argument.) It shouldn't be that hard to do with my phone what I want, in…

> a modern form of way-laying.

The best phrase I've heard used to describe this is "techno feudalism".

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Post by dangus »

ffsm8 wrote: post #18
dangus wrote: post #8

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It should be pointed out that they have way less of a monopoly on the market and way more gaming alternatives exist than Apple and Google. Apple, Google. Two app stores that are basically necessary for existing in the modern world with a smartphone, which include apps covering Japanese government services. In the gaming space, you’ve got PlayStation Store, Xbox Store, Nintendo eShop, Steam, Epic Game Store, GOG, a ba…

> include apps covering Japanese government services. These exist? Honestly asking, I've never been there myself so my only contact to their government is via social media, and the Japanese people can't stop talking about how you need to go there in person for everything and how absolutely nothing official is digital

Train ticket apps

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Post by kalleboo »

ffsm8 wrote: post #18
dangus wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be pointed out that they have way less of a monopoly on the market and way more gaming alternatives exist than Apple and Google. Apple, Google. Two app stores that are basically necessary for existing in the modern world with a smartphone, which include apps covering Japanese government services. In the gaming space, you’ve got PlayStation Store, Xbox Store, Nintendo eShop, Steam, Epic Game Store, GOG, a ba…

> include apps covering Japanese government services. These exist? Honestly asking, I've never been there myself so my only contact to their government is via social media, and the Japanese people can't stop talking about how you need to go there in person for everything and how absolutely nothing official is digital

Japan has a government ID card (MyNumber) with a digital certificate which can be scanned using NFC on your phone to log into do taxes online, check on your medical insurance details (like what charges have been made and your prescriptions), and pension information. It can also be scanned via NFC to apply for financial services like credit cards/bank accounts online.

https://apps.apple.com/jp/app/id1476359069 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.go.cas.mpa

Re: Japan law opening phone app stores to go into effect

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Post by zb3 »

I'm waiting for the WebKit part - I remember this Japanese law also mandated Apple to allow other browser engines. The EU law effectively failed to enforce this.. I hope this will work better in Japan.

EDIT: more info here: https://open-web-advocacy.org/blog/japan-apple-must-lift-eng...

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