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Why isn't online age verification just like showing your ID in person?

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Re: Why isn't online age verification just like showing your ID in person?

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Post by krupan »

everdrive wrote: post #17
miguelbemartin wrote: post #13

In my opinion, access to internet should always be behind a device controlled by an adult. And it should be this adult's responsibility to set appropriate restrictions for minors.

Agreed. My kids are young right now, but I'm wondering if we can just have a shared family room computer like in the 90s. (school-based laptops might thwart this, but maybe by the time they're school-aged people will realize that constantly putting kids in front a screen is a bad thing to do?)

You can have a shared family room computer! It works really well. No screens in the bedroom is a great idea. iPhones with strict Screen Time settings are awesome when the kids get old enough to use a phone for communication but not old enough to handle a phone with games and the full Internet

Re: Why isn't online age verification just like showing your ID in person?

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Post by johnnienaked »

miguelbemartin wrote: post #13

In my opinion, access to internet should always be behind a device controlled by an adult. And it should be this adult's responsibility to set appropriate restrictions for minors.

You want parents to parent? God speed and good luck

Re: Why isn't online age verification just like showing your ID in person?

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Post by dbbk »

miguelbemartin wrote: post #13

In my opinion, access to internet should always be behind a device controlled by an adult. And it should be this adult's responsibility to set appropriate restrictions for minors.

I'm not sure why we don't just make a law that parents must set parental controls on their kids' devices. We do this for most other things.

Re: Why isn't online age verification just like showing your ID in person?

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Post by zug_zug »

Cryptographically there are techniques that let you prove you're one of the several hundred million adults in the US that don't reveal anything about which adult you are. It's much less complicated than bitcoin.

I'm bringing this up because it's the perfect litmus test to show whether you really care about age verification, or if you want personal trackability for all internet behavior.

I'd be okay with this for certain situations (e.g. a forum that doesn't want to foreign agitators to pretend they are US voters), but the whole porn thing is a ridiculous farce because there are still going to always be millions of non-us porn sites that don't enforce US laws.

Re: Why isn't online age verification just like showing your ID in person?

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Post by rawgabbit »

everdrive wrote: post #17
miguelbemartin wrote: post #13

In my opinion, access to internet should always be behind a device controlled by an adult. And it should be this adult's responsibility to set appropriate restrictions for minors.

Agreed. My kids are young right now, but I'm wondering if we can just have a shared family room computer like in the 90s. (school-based laptops might thwart this, but maybe by the time they're school-aged people will realize that constantly putting kids in front a screen is a bad thing to do?)

With my family, I shut down and threw away my last PC; too many security head aches. I bought the cheapest large screen iPad(s) and promptly locked them down. One of my best decisions.

Re: Why isn't online age verification just like showing your ID in person?

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Post by consp »

vermon wrote: post #12
rzerowan wrote: post #4

Paradoxically this is one of those features/requirements that i feel should be on the end-user-device with zero knowledge proof. It would make sense to have the enduser verification ondevice with a simple reply to any online property : Passed age verification/or not. Otherwise the centralization and eventual leak of this data is a can of worms in waiting.

EU implementation of age verification is actually base don zero knowledge proofs https://ageverification.dev/

Hasn't this been made "optional", aka not going to happen, in the digital wallet specification?

Re: Why isn't online age verification just like showing your ID in person?

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Post by wiredfool »

krupan wrote: post #21
everdrive wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. My kids are young right now, but I'm wondering if we can just have a shared family room computer like in the 90s. (school-based laptops might thwart this, but maybe by the time they're school-aged people will realize that constantly putting kids in front a screen is a bad thing to do?)

You can have a shared family room computer! It works really well. No screens in the bedroom is a great idea. iPhones with strict Screen Time settings are awesome when the kids get old enough to use a phone for communication but not old enough to handle a phone with games and the full Internet

My 16 yr old just had his phone update and apply his old screen time settings from 4 or 5 years ago. Sorry kiddo, don’t remember the screen time password.

Now why they came back, and weren’t working before? The restrictions were so full of holes that they didn’t really work as anything other than a speedbump.

Re: Why isn't online age verification just like showing your ID in person?

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Post by SunshineTheCat »

dbbk wrote: post #24
miguelbemartin wrote: post #13

In my opinion, access to internet should always be behind a device controlled by an adult. And it should be this adult's responsibility to set appropriate restrictions for minors.

I'm not sure why we don't just make a law that parents must set parental controls on their kids' devices. We do this for most other things.

We should then make laws that parents must tell their kids to clean their room. Next we can make laws that parents must tell their children to eat their veggies. What about chore laws? Teeth brushing laws? Stop arguing with your sister laws! More laws!

Re: Why isn't online age verification just like showing your ID in person?

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Post by Tostino »

dbbk wrote: post #24
miguelbemartin wrote: post #13

In my opinion, access to internet should always be behind a device controlled by an adult. And it should be this adult's responsibility to set appropriate restrictions for minors.

I'm not sure why we don't just make a law that parents must set parental controls on their kids' devices. We do this for most other things.

What is the punishment you want to give to parents who don't?

That's the implication of making a law.

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