Meta should replace Mr Z with a bit sane person. At this point, he is like a mad emperor.
Would it be a successful business? That is what matters in the market.
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#22Mr Z. pays engineers well, that's what counts in my book, I like Mr. Z.
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#23As someone that pivoted to agentic work and quit the job that tried to get the existing team to do agentic work: All companies are structuring like this, and some are more equipped to do it than others Basically the executive team realizes the corporate hierarchy is too rigid for the lowly engineers to surface any innovation or workflow adjustments above the AI anxiety riddled middle management and bandwagon chaser’s…
Sounds like DOGE, a resounding success!
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the difference between the two? What kind of social media business is there other than selling ads?
I know we're so defeated as consumers that we can hardly imagine it, but you could just...charge for the customers' access to social media network. Kinda like every other service that charges money. It would have the side effect of making the whole business less ghoulish and manipulative, since the operators wouldn't be incentivized to maximize eyeball hours. It's impossible to imagine this because government regulat…
It's basically Mastodon. The infrastructure is paid by its owner and often relies on donations from their users.
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#26Mr Z. pays engineers well, that's what counts in my book, I like Mr. Z.
Doctors and chemists were paid handsomely by Marlboro Tobacco and Philip Morris. Didn’t make me like the C-suite at those companies any better.
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#27> TBD Lab’s researchers have come to view many Meta executives as interested only in improving the social media business That cannot have been a surprise to anyone joining.
Meta doesn’t really have a social media business, they have an ad business that’s driven by a massive dumping operation in social media.
That framing is silly. “NBC doesn’t have a television business, they have an ad business”. “Google doesn’t have a search business, they have an ad business.” “Amazon doesn’t have a retail business, they have an ad business.”
It doesn’t provide any value to reframe it this way, unless you think it’s some big secret that ads are the main source of revenue for these businesses.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know we're so defeated as consumers that we can hardly imagine it, but you could just...charge for the customers' access to social media network. Kinda like every other service that charges money. It would have the side effect of making the whole business less ghoulish and manipulative, since the operators wouldn't be incentivized to maximize eyeball hours. It's impossible to imagine this because government regulat…
It's basically Mastodon. The infrastructure is paid by its owner and often relies on donations from their users.
Is Mastodon a business?
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the difference between the two? What kind of social media business is there other than selling ads?
I know we're so defeated as consumers that we can hardly imagine it, but you could just...charge for the customers' access to social media network. Kinda like every other service that charges money. It would have the side effect of making the whole business less ghoulish and manipulative, since the operators wouldn't be incentivized to maximize eyeball hours. It's impossible to imagine this because government regulat…
Unlike most business, social media relies on having a high market saturation to provide value. So having a subscription model doesn’t work very well.
Of course perhaps it’s a bit different now since most people consume content from a small set of sources, making social media largely the same as traditional media. But then traditional media also has trouble with being supported by subscriptions.
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#30Even if both "sides" really wanted to get along, working with someone making 100x (if not 1,000x) more than you is poised to be a weird interaction. It must also be massively demoralizing, particularly if you're an engineer who has been there for 10+ years and has pushed features which directly bring in revenue, etc... Btw, >But Mr. Wang, who is developing the model, pushed back. He argued that the goal should be to…
There was a similar dynamic when FB bought WhatsApp. Although I think people kind of forgot about it after a year or two.