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Tesla Optimus robot takes a suspicious tumble in new demo

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Re: Tesla Optimus robot takes a suspicious tumble in new demo

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All observations about teleoperation aside, it's just really funny to me how the robot appears to knock over the water bottles, throw its hands up in exasperation, and then give up and fall down. It somehow makes it feel more human.

>teleoperation aside ... feel more human umm, so ignoring it was operated by a human it acted surprisingly human like? :)

Well, the human operator was just taking off a VR headset (and presumably forgot to deactivate the robot first). It just so happened to also look like the robot was fed up with life.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FCC would have a whole lot to say if he was lying about something like that at a publicly traded company.

What would the FCC do? The SEC didn't even enforce the whole he can't run his twitter account punishment for tweeting that he took TSLA private at 420.

Sorry, I meant SEC. Just search for "Musk SEC". He's been fined and sued already for similar statements. It's pretty illegal to lie about the capabilities of the products of a publicly held company.

Just look at Nikola.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would the FCC do? The SEC didn't even enforce the whole he can't run his twitter account punishment for tweeting that he took TSLA private at 420.

Sorry, I meant SEC. Just search for "Musk SEC". He's been fined and sued already for similar statements. It's pretty illegal to lie about the capabilities of the products of a publicly held company. Just look at Nikola.

That’s what lesuorac is saying. The SEC found he violated the rules for a publicly traded company... And then could do absolutely nothing about it to enforce the rules.

Re: Tesla Optimus robot takes a suspicious tumble in new demo

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I notice when its left hand came down there was a squirt of water from probably crushing water bottle. That makes me wonder how much force these robots can exert, and if they can accidentally hurt people.

Oh they definitely can. A friend of mine working with humanoid robots told me that kids running around their demo booths and wanting to hug their robots were a major stress factor on doing the demos. That, plus knowing it's your code what's running there.

Re: Tesla Optimus robot takes a suspicious tumble in new demo

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All observations about teleoperation aside, it's just really funny to me how the robot appears to knock over the water bottles, throw its hands up in exasperation, and then give up and fall down. It somehow makes it feel more human.

>teleoperation aside ... feel more human umm, so ignoring it was operated by a human it acted surprisingly human like? :)

It might have been human operated, but it also might have just been copying its training data.

A robot that properly supports being teleoperated wouldn't immediately fall over the moment someone deactivates a headset. Falling over is almost the worst thing a robot can do, you would trash a lot of prototypes and expensive lab equipment that way if they fell over every time an operator needed the toilet or to speak to someone. If you had such a bug that would be the very first thing you would fix. And it's not like making robots stay still whilst standing is a hard problem these days - there's no reason removing a headset should cause the robot to immediately deactivate.

You'd also have to hypothesize about why the supposed Tesla teleoperator takes the headset off with people in front of him/her during a public demonstration, despite knowing that this would cause the robot to die on camera and for them to immediately get fired.

I think it's just as plausible that the underlying VLA model is trained using teleoperation data generated by headset wearers, and just like LLMs it has some notion of a "stop token" intended for cases where it completed its mission. We've all seen LLMs try a few times to solve a problem, give up and declare victory even though it obviously didn't succeed. Presumably they learned that behavior from humans somewhere along the line. If VLA models have a similar issue then we would expect to see cases where it gets frustrated or mistakes failure for success, copies the "I am done with my mission" motion it saw from its trainers and then issues a stop token, meaning it stops sending signals to the motors and as a consequence immediately falls over.

This would be expected for Tesla given that they've always been all-in on purely neural end-to-end operation. It would be most un-Tesla-like for there to be lots of hand crafted logic in these things. And as VLA models are pretty new, and partly based on LLM backbones, we would expect robotic VLA models to have the same flaws as LLMs do.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would the FCC do? The SEC didn't even enforce the whole he can't run his twitter account punishment for tweeting that he took TSLA private at 420.

Sorry, I meant SEC. Just search for "Musk SEC". He's been fined and sued already for similar statements. It's pretty illegal to lie about the capabilities of the products of a publicly held company. Just look at Nikola.

He lies again and again. Occasionally gets a slap or a small fine. And then keeps doing it.

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> Even recently, Musk fought back against the notion that Tesla relies on teleoperation for its Optimus demonstration. He specified that a new demo of Optimus doing kung-fu was “AI, not tele-operated” The world's biggest liar, possibly. It's insane to me that laws and regulations haven't stopped him from lying to investors and the public, but that's the world in which we live.

The FCC would have a whole lot to say if he was lying about something like that at a publicly traded company.

That’s what DOGE was/is for. The world’s richest man’s personal effort to gut the regulatory agencies perusing him.

Anyone who can’t see that hasn’t been paying attention or is in denial, taking the lies at face value.

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