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So What Should We Call This – A Grue Jay?

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Re: So What Should We Call This – A Grue Jay?

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Post by nurettin »

Suppafly wrote: post #16
mc32 wrote: post #8

A gray jay sounds about right. I get that the changing weather might change their habitual latitudes but there was and is always some "boundary" between the two, no? So there was always a boundary but it moves north or south depending on warming or cooling climates (these birds have been around for millions of years). How did they only mate now?

> How did they only mate now? A lot of the differences between species is due to behavior issues, not actual physical difficulty. It's likely that both species of jay mate at different times or display different mating signals. They've been separated for something like 75 million years which leaves plenty of time for their behaviors to change.

> They've been separated for something like 75 million years

That sounds very, very wrong on the biological timescale.

Re: So What Should We Call This – A Grue Jay?

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Post by usefulcat »

> the range of blue jays, a temperate bird living all across the Eastern U.S., only extended about as far west as Houston. They

I get why the green jay’s habitat would have expanded northward (from more tropical areas) in a warming climate, but I don’t get why the blue jay’s habitat would have expanded west of Houston.

Like many places, central Texas is warmer than it used to be, and maybe drier, but I wouldn’t think you could call it more “temperate” now.

Re: So What Should We Call This – A Grue Jay?

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Post by gdavisson »

"Grue" has a surprising variety of meanings:

Obsolete/dialiectical English: to shudder with fear, or a shudder (related to "gruesome")

Computer games: in Zork, a monster that eats adventurers in the dark [0]

Linguistics: an English translation for words that cover the entire green-blue part of the spectrum (in languages that don't distinguish blue from green) [1]

Philosophy: a color name that is equivalent to green until a specific future time, at which point it becomes equivalent to blue (used to raise questions about how to validly extrapolate into the future) [2]

[0]: https://zork.fandom.com/wiki/Grue

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue–green_distinction_in_lang...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_riddle_of_induction#Grue_a...

Re: So What Should We Call This – A Grue Jay?

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Post by andy99 »

gdavisson wrote: post #24

"Grue" has a surprising variety of meanings: Obsolete/dialiectical English: to shudder with fear, or a shudder (related to "gruesome") Computer games: in Zork, a monster that eats adventurers in the dark [0] Linguistics: an English translation for words that cover the entire green-blue part of the spectrum (in languages that don't distinguish blue from green) [1] Philosophy: a color name that is equivalent to green u…

It also means crane in French, both the construction kind and the bird. When I first saw the name I guessed there must be some relationship to cranes.

Re: So What Should We Call This – A Grue Jay?

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Post by linguist2 »

andy99 wrote: post #27
gdavisson wrote: post #24

"Grue" has a surprising variety of meanings: Obsolete/dialiectical English: to shudder with fear, or a shudder (related to "gruesome") Computer games: in Zork, a monster that eats adventurers in the dark [0] Linguistics: an English translation for words that cover the entire green-blue part of the spectrum (in languages that don't distinguish blue from green) [1] Philosophy: a color name that is equivalent to green u…

It also means crane in French, both the construction kind and the bird. When I first saw the name I guessed there must be some relationship to cranes.

Others:

French: grue may also crane both as the bird and the construction machine.

Italian: gru also means crane (bird).

Norwegian: grue may either mean the verb "to dread” or a noun meaning fireplace/hearth.

Gheg Albanian (dialect): grue means wife/woman.

Primarily Scottish but also Northern English (regionalism): (1) ground-gru / grue means a half-liquid snow or ice that forms and floats on the surface of a river, sometimes thought to have risen from the riverbed. (2) a tiny bit or particle, e.g. He hasn’t a grue of sense.

Similar words:

Latin: grus may mean a crane (bird) or a type of siege engine / war machine bearing similarity to the neck of a crane (bird).

Catalan: grua - same as French.

Esperanto: gruo also means crane (bird) or machine.

Swiss German (dialect): grüezi means "God greets you".

Romanian: grâu means wheat.

English: GRU is term for Russian Main Intelligence Directorate (Glavnoye Razvedyvatelnoye Upravlenie).

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