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Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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I have sympathy for some of the GitHub complaints. otoh just went to try to signup for Codeberg and it's down ... 95% uptime over the last 2 weeks? https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg

GitHub uptime isn't perfect either. You will notice these outages from time to time if your employer is using it for more than just "store some git repos", e.g. using GHA for builds and deploys, packages etc.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So how many bugs did you file on sourceforge when GitHub hadn’t quite killed it off?

Maybe I wasn't quite clear. As an open-source author, bug reports are what makes open-source feel like a job. This is because Github has created a sense of entitlement that an open-source project is supposed to take bug reports. That its authors are its 'maintainers' and are expected to fix them.

No. You are the person with an issue. You have all the means to fix the issue -- the source code has been shared with you. Now go ahead and fix your bug yourself. Then share the source code with your users as per its license.

Notice how I don't even care much for 'pull requests'. Another detrimental notion started with Github -- that the authors of an open-source project are expected to review change requests and merge them.

Guy, open-source licenses do not require you to share the derived code with upstream. They require you to share it with your users. I, as the original author, mostly don't care as the original code I wrote works for me.

Yes, sending fixes back upstream is a courtesy and a way to thank the original authors. However it is neither required, nor one must expect that the fixes will be accepted or even looked at at all.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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Lack of investment more like. There are a ton of simple and obvious bugs that have persisted well before the AI crazy, e.g. this annoying bug from 2021: https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/6874 This one is almost a one-line change (technically they need an extra flag in the YAML but that's hardly difficult): https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/12882#discussi... That said, I still think Github is f…

Not spending on maintenance is bad. Not spending on maintenance and spending gobs on something many people don’t want is far worse. It says we have the money, we just don’t give a fuck.

Isn't this SOP of Microsoft since forever? Tons of papercuts which really hurt, and tons of features nobody wants?

I think this is the natural outcome of "chasing points" mechanic inside Microsoft.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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previously discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46064571 Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg - 883 comments

Didn't know about codeberg and can't even access it... Is it https://codeberg.org/ ??

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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post #19

I have sympathy for some of the GitHub complaints. otoh just went to try to signup for Codeberg and it's down ... 95% uptime over the last 2 weeks? https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg

I mean, they're battling with DDoS all the time. I follow their account on Mastodon, and they're pretty open about it. I believe the correct question is "Why they are getting DDoSed this much if they are not something important?" For anyone who wants to follow: https://social.anoxinon.de/@Codeberg Even their status page is under attack. Sorry for my French, but WTF?

That's rough ... it is a bad, bad world out there.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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More and more projects are moving to Codeberg, and I'm wondering; at what point will a critical mass be reached? Or will we end up with a fragmented ecosystem?

Hopefully one of the efforts to build distributed pull requests will take off, so that all the forges other than github can band together and interoperate.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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post #19

I have sympathy for some of the GitHub complaints. otoh just went to try to signup for Codeberg and it's down ... 95% uptime over the last 2 weeks? https://status.codeberg.org/status/codeberg

What? It says it's up for 98.56% for the last 2 weeks.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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In other news today, Bun, which is one of the biggest projects written in Zig, joined Anthropic, the company behind Claude Code, and has nothing but kind words to say about AI. If Zig becomes ever more hostile to AI, I wonder if there may be some "friction" there.

Why would zig care that a project written in zig is used for AI?

Usually programming languages need that killer project to sell themselves, instead of being something only language nerds play with, Bun was one of such projects.

Re: Zig quits GitHub, says Microsoft's AI obsession has ruined the service

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post #9

In other news today, Bun, which is one of the biggest projects written in Zig, joined Anthropic, the company behind Claude Code, and has nothing but kind words to say about AI. If Zig becomes ever more hostile to AI, I wonder if there may be some "friction" there.

Why would zig care that a project written in zig is used for AI?

And if they did, what could they possibly do?
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