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The healthcare market is taxing reproduction out of existence

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Re: The healthcare market is taxing reproduction out of existence

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Because they can. For profit hospitals subsidized and enforced by the leviathan, what could go wrong? How much does something cost? Whatever the seller can get people to pay for it. Hospital B charges 6 figures for the delivery of a child? Wow, that's expensive, they must be really good to be able to charge that much. All the dark patterns, negative dynamics, perverse incentives of bad government, stupid healthcare p…

Completely removing the U.S. Government from the health care market (Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, uncompensated care, etc) would be a great start.

Could you explain how this would help? I'm struggling to understand where you're coming from here, besides perhaps a reflexive libertarian reaction to government.

Re: The healthcare market is taxing reproduction out of existence

#23

Clickbait. I too think insurance costs are too high, but the author included their annual insurance premiums in the calculation.

yea, 40k is not the "real cost" of the birth, if he includes his + the wife's health insurance premiums in the calculation.

$25,680 premium + $14,300 deductible = $39,980 annual cost

So actually if we compare this with a European country, it would be an almost similar amount in the end: there is no deductible, but health insurance/social security taxes can absolutely reach around 2k-3k per month if you earn enough.

Re: The healthcare market is taxing reproduction out of existence

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So to summarize: a. you're paying that for health insurance, not for the birth of the child. If you, your wife, your children had any other diseases then those would be covered as well. This is a significant benefit. b. all the systems that subsidize health care for those less well off don't apply because you're wealthy. So you are bearing the full cost of extremely high quality health insurance in a western country.

Re: The healthcare market is taxing reproduction out of existence

#28

Clickbait. I too think insurance costs are too high, but the author included their annual insurance premiums in the calculation.

Fair, he's lucky enough to have not been in a major car accident that year, so he can attribute it all to the cost of giving birth.

What would have been the out-of-pocket cost of a normal birth without health insurance? It's still your choice to go without.

Re: The healthcare market is taxing reproduction out of existence

#29
Hmm, counting the insurance premiums 100% towards the birth of the child is a bit misleading. Presumably, you'd be paying those even if you didn't have the child. That said, the cost of health insurance for a family is pretty outrageous. My premiums are along the same lines as the ones here (although less noticeable since they're paid by my employer).

Re: The healthcare market is taxing reproduction out of existence

#30
> If your answer to “I can’t afford to have children and run a business” is “then don’t,” you are building the political conditions for extremism. This is how every revolution starts: a critical mass of people who conclude the system offers them nothing worth preserving. They don’t just want change - they want revenge.

Its "not afford to have children", but instead "not afford to live".

And we're already seeing these strong signifiers of extremism everywhere. Shooting CEO's is halfway acceptable, if they are sufficiently horrible (and yes UHC was horrible).

Violence is more and more routinely considered the only answer that works.

Corruption isn't something hidden, but instead openly done. And this is at all levels, from petty theft, up to 'let's rearrange government to screw the other party'.

Look at how much tax dollars you pay in, and what you get for that. Its more and more a socialist country amount of tax, with low/no benefits to the citizenry. And no, shoveling billions to Israel or Ukraine, or project of the week does NOTHING to help me, my friends, and people around me.

It is pretty bleak. Has been for quite some time. I can understand why some might want to vote for Trump- he did and is still making good on his promises. Terrible promises, sure. But he's doing them.

Far as I can tell, none of the candidates are for the public, and willing to do and help the public. Just feels like a corrupt-o-cracy where if you're not in the In group, you're screwed.

And yeah, extremism, revolution, and revenge is spot on.

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