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True P2P Email on Top of Yggdrasil Network

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Re: True P2P Email on Top of Yggdrasil Network

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My first Linux install was Yggdrasil, just for that, this interests me…

You’re OG. My first was some unknown distro that installed in DOS on my Win95 machine and dual booted that way. Totally confused me. Second was Red Hat 6.0 in 1999. That one, I was a little more successful with.

> unknown distro that installed in DOS on my Win95 machine

I had that from some magazine included cd ; my father thought I had completely messed up the family PC.

Re: True P2P Email on Top of Yggdrasil Network

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Systems can be so simple and elegant when you just assume no one will use them to send spam.

To be fair there have been multiple popular e-mail networks on Tor like SIGINT in the past and I never received spam there.

Knuth once said there’s two kinds of programming languages in the world: Languages everyone complains about, and languages nobody uses. I feel like there’s some corollary here…

Re: True P2P Email on Top of Yggdrasil Network

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Systems can be so simple and elegant when you just assume no one will use them to send spam.

To be fair there have been multiple popular e-mail networks on Tor like SIGINT in the past and I never received spam there.

I think your definition of "popular" here is... unpopular.

Re: True P2P Email on Top of Yggdrasil Network

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair there have been multiple popular e-mail networks on Tor like SIGINT in the past and I never received spam there.

Knuth once said there’s two kinds of programming languages in the world: Languages everyone complains about, and languages nobody uses. I feel like there’s some corollary here…

FWIW it was Bjarne Stroustrup (of C++) who said that, not Knuth.

Re: True P2P Email on Top of Yggdrasil Network

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I kinda understand the point, but e-mail of all things… the one thing in the current tech stack that is in fact "P2P"… technically all you need is either a VPN that allows incoming connections to you on a fixed address on tcp/25, or a dyndns and any ISP with inbound tcp/25 open…

Also, E2E encryption >> "the network handles that".

Re: True P2P Email on Top of Yggdrasil Network

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Be careful when installing Yggdrasil Network on your device - your device address will be available in a network/peer explorers and if your firewall is not configured to reject incoming connections from the yggdrasil ipv6 interface - your locally running services could get exposed.

Re: True P2P Email on Top of Yggdrasil Network

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post #25

I kinda understand the point, but e-mail of all things… the one thing in the current tech stack that is in fact "P2P"… technically all you need is either a VPN that allows incoming connections to you on a fixed address on tcp/25, or a dyndns and any ISP with inbound tcp/25 open… Also, E2E encryption >> "the network handles that".

    "Ok, we got an overlay network going. What protocol should we use for standard comms?"
Scenario 1:

    "Email?" "Email I guess." "Email."
Scenario 2:

    "IRC?" "Nah, XMPP." "Matrix!" 
    "Oh, we're suggesting chat protocols? Here's a #11th draft standard that ticks all the boxes for modern secure private chat."

Re: True P2P Email on Top of Yggdrasil Network

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> Because the Internet was built around centralized infrastructure.

Yeah, well... No.

> We finally have this possibility to use true P2P email.

I mean, email is literally peer to peer.

> Your mail address is derived from your public key: @yggmail

The email address is literally 64 hex characters? How am I supposed to use this on a daily basis?

I have serious doubts who are the target of this or what is the point of this to exist at all. It is literally worse than email.

Re: True P2P Email on Top of Yggdrasil Network

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post #26

Be careful when installing Yggdrasil Network on your device - your device address will be available in a network/peer explorers and if your firewall is not configured to reject incoming connections from the yggdrasil ipv6 interface - your locally running services could get exposed.

this should be standard advise, always configure your host firewall correctly. Especially if you use something like ArchLinux where it doesn't come pre-configured

Re: True P2P Email on Top of Yggdrasil Network

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was surprised to see this on the HN homepage, I didn't create Tyr but I did create Yggmail ( https://github.com/neilalexander/yggmail ) which it is based on. There is no store-and-forward as such, the sending node will keep the message in its outbox and will keep retrying until the destination is online.

Tyr is probably overkill with Deltachat on top of yggdrasil. The network already is encrypted so it's fine to send plaintext emails as long as there's no 3rd party email hubs.

I think DeltaChat in this case is used mainly for spam disincentivization via mandatory encryption.
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