we'll inevitably have universal tracking for everything like this (good luck privacy), it's essentially machine learning around a bunch of vibration patterns... ideal for a device that hundreds of millions of people are carrying everywhere daily
New Apple Study Shows LLMs Can Tell What You're Doing from Audio and Motion Data
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Re: New Apple Study Shows LLMs Can Tell What You're Doing from Audio and Motion Data
#22Maybe the 2026 Apple Watch will be able to auto detect running as reliably as my 2015 Samsung Gear S2. My 2022 Series 8 is certainly not there yet.
That’s weird, I have perfect running detection on an old(er) (Apple) watch. Detection does start late (but is retroactive, so it’s not an issue).
And that's by design, because it waits for a larger window of data to gain confidence. Notice how you ~never get false positives on it starting an exercise session.
I see comments like GP's often enough that I think Apple just does a bad job explaining how/why it works.
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#23Why do you need LLM to interpret patterns?
The same reason you need transistors to make computers. You don't need them, but they are one way to do it that people know how to implement. Identifying patterns is fairly amenable to analytic approaches, interpreting them, less so.
A better analogy is: same reason you need FPGAs to run x86 code. You dont, but if FPGAs are hot and good for your career you gonna use them.
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#24If you're interested in this concept, it's not new and the alarm has been sounded since the android Facebook app required motion sensor permissions in android 4. https://par.nsf.gov/servlets/purl/10028982 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2109.13834.pdf
> alarm has been sounded since the android Facebook app required motion sensor permissions in android 4. Serves as a useful reminder that just because someone may not care if these companies collect this data now, they are storing it, sometimes indefinitely, and as technology advances, will be able to make more use of it than they were at the time you agreed to share it with them. It's like all the ransomware gangs h…
There are exceptions, but for the most part, I'm not sure that knowing specifically what I was doing five years ago has much value to me or anyone else?
I was probably sitting in front of a computer.
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#25In about:config (Firefox) would
device.sensors.enabled = false
have any effect for browser based access, or is this strictly the app?
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
> alarm has been sounded since the android Facebook app required motion sensor permissions in android 4. Serves as a useful reminder that just because someone may not care if these companies collect this data now, they are storing it, sometimes indefinitely, and as technology advances, will be able to make more use of it than they were at the time you agreed to share it with them. It's like all the ransomware gangs h…
There are exceptions, but for the most part, I'm not sure that knowing specifically what I was doing five years ago has much value to me or anyone else? I was probably sitting in front of a computer.
You are not always the target, but leaking data like this empowers those that may use it against someone else. I mean to say, you are providing training data. People who move-like-this-at-these-times also have these other tendencies... It's like fusion sensing.
Same with secure messaging. You might not care that [insert boogeyman here] know what you're doing all day, but people you interact with may be harmed by you being leaky.
Anyway, the whole point is your lack of imagination is not a good reason to embrace surveillance. Rejecting surveillance on principal slows down our descent into a panopticonical hellscape.
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
One more positive interpretation of Apple's research interests here is that devices like the Watch can better differentiate between "the wearer just fell and we should call 911" and "the wearer is playing with their kids".
"Can" does not necessarily mean "will", especially for Apple. I wouldn't be surprised if you're describing a feature slated for release in 2037.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
> alarm has been sounded since the android Facebook app required motion sensor permissions in android 4. Serves as a useful reminder that just because someone may not care if these companies collect this data now, they are storing it, sometimes indefinitely, and as technology advances, will be able to make more use of it than they were at the time you agreed to share it with them. It's like all the ransomware gangs h…
There are exceptions, but for the most part, I'm not sure that knowing specifically what I was doing five years ago has much value to me or anyone else? I was probably sitting in front of a computer.
If only activists and journalists hide, while everybody else provides all data to the government/Facebook, then it becomes easy to track them.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are exceptions, but for the most part, I'm not sure that knowing specifically what I was doing five years ago has much value to me or anyone else? I was probably sitting in front of a computer.
You are not always the target, but leaking data like this empowers those that may use it against someone else. I mean to say, you are providing training data. People who move-like-this-at-these-times also have these other tendencies... It's like fusion sensing. Same with secure messaging. You might not care that [insert boogeyman here] know what you're doing all day, but people you interact with may be harmed by you…
Firstly, I looked up panopticon, and it does indeed seem like that is how modern societies are being structured now, and secondly... It is true that people generally seem to display a lack of imagination regarding all of this. The whole "ive got nothing to hide so what do i care if they surveil me" attitude comes across as selfish and naive in this light.
I wonder what ad-tech or whatever org would do if we got to a state where they just couldnt track or id people. Would we still have free entertainment on the net? would the net even still be mainstream?
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are exceptions, but for the most part, I'm not sure that knowing specifically what I was doing five years ago has much value to me or anyone else? I was probably sitting in front of a computer.
You are not always the target, but leaking data like this empowers those that may use it against someone else. I mean to say, you are providing training data. People who move-like-this-at-these-times also have these other tendencies... It's like fusion sensing. Same with secure messaging. You might not care that [insert boogeyman here] know what you're doing all day, but people you interact with may be harmed by you…
My point was more that this data loses its value fast. I'd worry more about it knowing where I was recently.