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Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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Post by healsdata »

rockskon wrote: post #19
healsdata wrote: post #15

Adafruit acted a bit shady here. Their original post includes: "Military weird things" Reading the ToS, the two mentions of military are "don't use our AI product for military use" and in the export and trade controls section. How are either of those weird?

Given the ambiguity of the phrase "military use" when the military does, in-fact, use it for things the military does - I am not confident in the slightest with Arduino's use of language here.

How would you want to see this further clarified?

> Military Use: Use by or for any military organization or for any military purpose, including but not limited to projects sponsored or paid for by military organizations, or use by the U.S. Department of Defense (except for DARPA), U.S. Armed Forces, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. intelligence agencies, or any foreign counterparts of the foregoing.

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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Post by snvzz »

healsdata wrote: post #15

Adafruit acted a bit shady here. Their original post includes: "Military weird things" Reading the ToS, the two mentions of military are "don't use our AI product for military use" and in the export and trade controls section. How are either of those weird?

Free Software's Freedom #0: Freedom of use.

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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Post by rockskon »

healsdata wrote: post #21
rockskon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given the ambiguity of the phrase "military use" when the military does, in-fact, use it for things the military does - I am not confident in the slightest with Arduino's use of language here.

How would you want to see this further clarified? > Military Use: Use by or for any military organization or for any military purpose, including but not limited to projects sponsored or paid for by military organizations, or use by the U.S. Department of Defense (except for DARPA), U.S. Armed Forces, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. intelligence agencies, or any foreign counterparts of the foregoing.

Gee, I dunno, how about by not limiting its scope exclusively to AI usage by the military?

Also - given how many tech companies involved in AI have done an about-face on military usage of it, I'm increasingly seeing it as an empty promise.

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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Post by monegator »

healsdata wrote: post #15

Adafruit acted a bit shady here. Their original post includes: "Military weird things" Reading the ToS, the two mentions of military are "don't use our AI product for military use" and in the export and trade controls section. How are either of those weird?

>Adafruit acted a bit shady here

what is new here?

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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Post by exasperaited »

“ we have been open-source long before it was fashionable.”

That is a weird, weird claim for a firm that was founded off the back of a project that started in 2005.

It’s, what, over five years after the VA Linux IPO, two years after Microsoft arguably used Caldera as a weapon in a proxy war against IBM, seven years after one of the most famous software products of all time, Netscape Navigator, went open source.

Just a strange, facially implausible bit of appeal to tradition.

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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Post by RobotToaster »

12_throw_away wrote: post #3

"We are Arduino. We are open. We’re not going anywhere." -- statement from Qualcomm without a single human being's name on it

> We are open.

Except that half their boards and the entire cloud platform aren't open source at all.

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Post by camkego »

12_throw_away wrote: post #3

"We are Arduino. We are open. We’re not going anywhere." -- statement from Qualcomm without a single human being's name on it

If you walk into the head office of Qualcomm (in Sorrento Vally, San Diego, CA) and you see the the "Patent Wall" in the entrance covered with almost 1400 patents, it's kind of hard to wonder just how open Arduino will be.

Re: Arduino Terms of Service and Privacy Policy update: setting the record straight

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Post by Karliss »

typpilol wrote: post #7

If the only restriction on reverse engineering is their cloud SaaS, why was everyone up in arms? Or is this Arduino trying to save face?

Large companies have repeatedly demonstrated that they will pick whichever interpretation is most convenient at the time. When there are pitchforks they will claim that you are confused and misinterpreted the writing but when you get poisoned by food in their restaurant and try to sue them they will point at terms of service on their online video streaming service that your spouse agreed 5 years ago as if that's relevant (not a joke Disney tried that one). These things are supposed to be written by proffesionals, I dont think Hanlon's razor sufficiently explains it, terms of service are at least partially intentionally written as vague and unclear as possible for benefit of one side.
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