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Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 sales ban lifted in the US

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Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 sales ban lifted in the US

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Post by ben1040 »

fredley wrote: post #9
jacquesm wrote: post #3

So, if the ban was not justified does that mean Samsung now gets to claim losses?

The whole business continues its decent into farce if not. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 has been destroyed by this temporary ban. While it's been banned nobody's been developing for it, and there's been no chance for any kind of 'buzz'. Its window has now passed, and it'll likely never really get off the ground. For one company to be able to do that to another with a spurious ban is ridiculous.

Its window had passed before the injunction. The ban went into effect June 26, 2012, a full year after the Galaxy Tab 10.1 went on the market.

Meanwhile, the Galaxy Tab 2 10.1's successor, which was not affected by the injunction, had been out for a month and a half (it came out early May 2012).

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 sales ban lifted in the US

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Post by tsieling »

mrich wrote: post #13
perlpimp wrote: post #10

I love and support apple from the first days when I went to canada I fell in love with Macs, we had those black and white ones and with Think Pascal. I wrote some code, got some A's for work and so on. I am not fan boy but I have deep respect for that Apple is to me and the industry. Frankly it all has gotten out of hand - after all this is all is a good sport, bloody noses aren't necessary. Samsung should negotiate…

However apple has been know as a being a brilliant kid with short attention span and tantrums to remember. It is interesting how companies often exhibit traits of their influential founders. This would be a good characterization of Jobs.

A short attention span. Really. You think you build a digital ecosystem around premium hardware and breaking content licensing logjams and forcing open the price of cellular data with a short attention span. That's.... interesting.

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 sales ban lifted in the US

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Post by maskedinvader »

killahpriest wrote: post #15
josteink wrote: post #14

So Apple has successfully ruined one competitor's ability to compete, innovate and bring products to market. And lost. In a free market that should be the most punishable offense of all. How much is that going to cost Apple? How many billions will they be forced to pay in punitive damages? Will they be banned from making similar claims in the future? Have they lost "karma" so when serving the next "ban kthx plz"-requ…

The Galaxy Tab was not destroyed by this ban. The Galaxy Tab was destroyed by itself. If you've ever used a Galaxy Tab, you would know how terrible of a device it is.

not sure which galaxy tab you are talking about, but I am proud owner of the galaxy tab 10.1 wifi and Its a beautiful device. The hardware was definitely comparable if not better than ipad 2, id agree the OS (honeycomb) was totally a let down but once I got ICS, the tablet has worked well for me. So yeah I'd beg to disagree (atleast for 10.1)

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 sales ban lifted in the US

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Post by ajross »

mtgx wrote: post #11
jacquesm wrote: post #3

So, if the ban was not justified does that mean Samsung now gets to claim losses?

I know in US the losing party doesn't usually pay for the winning party's expenses or losses, but couldn't Samsung at least sue Apple for it and automatically win?

It's common for situations like this for the plaintiff to post a bond to cover losses from a preliminary injunction, actually. No idea if that was done here or not.

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Post by cube13 »

It's worth pointing out that Samsung should have had this overturned a month ago when the jury made it's verdict( http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/09/judge-cant-lift-b... ), but could not, because they appealed the initial decision back in June. That moved the jurisdiction to the federal appeals courts. After the decision came down that they did not infringe with the Tab 10.1, Koh was not able to lift the ban until the jurisdiction issues were resolved.

Given that the court date was already settled at that point, and it would take several months to go through the appeals court, this was a pretty stupid move on Samsung's lawyer's part, because there was pretty much no hope that the case would be heard, or decided, by the time that the Apple case was done. Plus, since Samsung released the Tab 2 in May(and the Apple lawsuit did not cover that device), they were hardly in a position to argue that the decision was a terrible hardship on them. So it's not like they had much of a reason to even bother appealing, other than to waste billable hours.

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Post by ubernostrum »

josteink wrote: post #14

So Apple has successfully ruined one competitor's ability to compete, innovate and bring products to market. And lost. In a free market that should be the most punishable offense of all. How much is that going to cost Apple? How many billions will they be forced to pay in punitive damages? Will they be banned from making similar claims in the future? Have they lost "karma" so when serving the next "ban kthx plz"-requ…

So, out of curiosity, are you for or against the existence of anti-trust law?

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Post by killahpriest »

maskedinvader wrote: post #23
killahpriest wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Galaxy Tab was not destroyed by this ban. The Galaxy Tab was destroyed by itself. If you've ever used a Galaxy Tab, you would know how terrible of a device it is.

not sure which galaxy tab you are talking about, but I am proud owner of the galaxy tab 10.1 wifi and Its a beautiful device. The hardware was definitely comparable if not better than ipad 2, id agree the OS (honeycomb) was totally a let down but once I got ICS, the tablet has worked well for me. So yeah I'd beg to disagree (atleast for 10.1)

I'm talking about the 10.1. Agreed, the hardware is nice. The implementation of the OS is terrible, absolutely terrible.

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 sales ban lifted in the US

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Post by kaffiene »

nachteilig wrote: post #19
josteink wrote: post #14

So Apple has successfully ruined one competitor's ability to compete, innovate and bring products to market. And lost. In a free market that should be the most punishable offense of all. How much is that going to cost Apple? How many billions will they be forced to pay in punitive damages? Will they be banned from making similar claims in the future? Have they lost "karma" so when serving the next "ban kthx plz"-requ…

Let's not only criticize Apple for this. Samsung is attempting to do the same thing even now with the iPhone 5.

Samsung did not start this litigation - Apple did. You are saying that Samsung are just as culpable because they didn't just choose to sit back and take it?

Re: Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 sales ban lifted in the US

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Post by josteink »

ubernostrum wrote: post #26
josteink wrote: post #14

So Apple has successfully ruined one competitor's ability to compete, innovate and bring products to market. And lost. In a free market that should be the most punishable offense of all. How much is that going to cost Apple? How many billions will they be forced to pay in punitive damages? Will they be banned from making similar claims in the future? Have they lost "karma" so when serving the next "ban kthx plz"-requ…

So, out of curiosity, are you for or against the existence of anti-trust law?

I assume you are asking due to my comment about "most punishable of all offenses". I'll be honest and say it was a wee bit tongue-in-check. That said, I'm for anti-trust laws in principle.

For me to support them in practice, execution needs to be delicate. As for in so many other fields, this is the hard part.

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