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Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by npteljes »

lysace wrote: post #20

15-20 years ago this wouldn't have been a company. It would have been a strong but informal open collaboration where smart and just people funded by various entities around the world kept it running. Then the opportunity to get rich by offering an open source product combined with closed source extras+support was invented. I don't like this new world. Edit: Somewhere along the line, we also lost the concept of having…

What do you find wrong with "this new world"? For context, I'm using their free offering for my home server, for 6-7 years now. Happy as a clam.

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by lysace »

npteljes wrote: post #21
lysace wrote: post #20

15-20 years ago this wouldn't have been a company. It would have been a strong but informal open collaboration where smart and just people funded by various entities around the world kept it running. Then the opportunity to get rich by offering an open source product combined with closed source extras+support was invented. I don't like this new world. Edit: Somewhere along the line, we also lost the concept of having…

What do you find wrong with "this new world"? For context, I'm using their free offering for my home server, for 6-7 years now. Happy as a clam.

It enables Oracle-like behavior. Once you're locked in as commercial user they can do whatever they want.

Remember: Not all commercial users are FAANG rich. Counties/local municipalities count as commercial users, as an example.

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by unethical_ban »

Semaphor wrote: post #13
unethical_ban wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proxmox is free, too. Incus looks nice, though it looks to be more API driven , at least from the landing page. I can't attest to Proxmox in a production/cluster environment but (barring GPU passthrough) it's very accessible for homelab and small network.

GPU passthrough works fine? I use that for transcoding in Jellyfin.

I don't remember if I tried and failed, or if it seemed too much for me... I have an Arc A series; if you have a verified guide I would like to take a look!

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by Volundr »

lysace wrote: post #20

15-20 years ago this wouldn't have been a company. It would have been a strong but informal open collaboration where smart and just people funded by various entities around the world kept it running. Then the opportunity to get rich by offering an open source product combined with closed source extras+support was invented. I don't like this new world. Edit: Somewhere along the line, we also lost the concept of having…

Funny enough, Proxmox VE is 17 years old. I want to say it was ballpark 13-14 years ago I was using it to replace ESXi to get features (HA/Live migration) that only came with expensive licensing. 15-20 years ago there were definitely companies doing exactly this.

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by nezirus »

luma wrote: post #12
throw0101c wrote: post #2

Proxmox (and XCP-ng?) seems to be "the" (?) popular alternative to VMware after Broadcom's private equity-fuel cash grab. (Perhaps if you're a Microsoft shop you're looking at Hyper-V?)

Talking to midmarket and enterprise customers and nobody is taking Proxmox seriously quite yet, I think due to concerns around support availability and long term viability. Hyper-V and Azure Local come up a lot in these conversations if you run a lot of Windows (Healthcare in the US is nearly entirely Windows based). Have some folks kicking tires on OpenShift, which is a HEAVY lift and not much less expensive than mo…

I've used them professionally during 0.9 times (2008.) and it was already quite useful and very stable (all advertised features worked). 17 years looks pretty good to me, Proxmox will not go away (neither product or company)

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by ekropotin »

veidr wrote: post #3

Nah. Incus. Sorry, but I bought Proxmox 7, but it is not comparable. Incus does everything (and more) with better interface, WAY better reliability, and also not like a hundred EUR or whatever. (100 EUR is fine with me if better, but not if not better...)

Dang it! I’ve just got comfortable with Proxmox, but now I have to start looking into Incus because of your comment.

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by zer00eyz »

unethical_ban wrote: post #23
Semaphor wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPU passthrough works fine? I use that for transcoding in Jellyfin.

I don't remember if I tried and failed, or if it seemed too much for me... I have an Arc A series; if you have a verified guide I would like to take a look!

This may have more to do with your underlying hardware than proxmox itself.

It's been forever, but to do passthrough you need proper bios support and configuration.

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by moepstar »

richwater wrote: post #19
hrimfaxi wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought you had to pay a fee to access their updates repository? It's been a while though so I may be mistaken.

There's community update repositories you can swap out. I'm not really sure what the difference is.

The difference: the free repositories get the updates before the enterprise repo.

So, the software versions that go into the enterprise repo are considered stable by then.

(If we're talking about Proxmox, that is.)

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by ekropotin »

richwater wrote: post #19
hrimfaxi wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought you had to pay a fee to access their updates repository? It's been a while though so I may be mistaken.

There's community update repositories you can swap out. I'm not really sure what the difference is.

Enterprise repos are better tested and somewhat guarantee updates don’t explode anything.

Re: Proxmox virtual environment 9.1 available

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Post by SteveNuts »

The only thing missing making Proxmox difficult in traditional environment is a replacement for VMware's VMFS (cluster aware VM file system).

Lots and lots of organizations already have SAN/storage fabric networks presenting block storage over the network which was heavily used for VMware environments.

You could use NFS if your arrays support it, but MPIO block storage via iscsi is ubiquitous in my experience.

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