It’s almost as if the EU keeps getting it wrong, time and time again with technology.
I'm starting to think that maybe they are not great at doing their job.
New EU Chat Control proposal moves forward
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Re: New EU Chat Control proposal moves forward
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the contrary, it doesn't seem to have had any effect at all. Nobody actually defeated anything if it just gets re-proposed a few weeks later.
Every time we stop it from becoming law, that is a victory . Viewing it as anything else is actively counterproductive. The fact that they will keep bringing it back until we have better people in the EU Parliament just means that we have to win more victories.
> The fact that they will keep bringing it back until we have better people in the EU Parliament just means that we have to win more victories.
But these proposals came not from the EU Parliament (who you directly vote for), but from the EU Commission (who you do not). They have since been revived by several presidencies of the Council, who are also highly likely to be immune to your electoral displeasure. The EU Parliament has no ability to initiate legislation.
The EU-critical minority on HN keeps pointing this out only to receive downvotes, while the same old misunderstandings continue. Any democratic link between the EU Citizens and the Commission is effectively homeopathic.
I am glad that the Parliament had rejected these proposals, but remember the saying… you have to be lucky every time.
Re: New EU Chat Control proposal moves forward
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every time we stop it from becoming law, that is a victory . Viewing it as anything else is actively counterproductive. The fact that they will keep bringing it back until we have better people in the EU Parliament just means that we have to win more victories.
> The fact that they will keep bringing it back until we have better people in the EU Parliament just means that we have to win more victories. But these proposals came not from the EU Parliament (who you directly vote for), but from the EU Commission (who you do not). They have since been revived by several presidencies of the Council, who are also highly likely to be immune to your electoral displeasure. The EU Par…
Ah, my apologies—so how does the Commission get selected? Presumably there's still some way to influence it, even if it's indirect.
Re: New EU Chat Control proposal moves forward
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The fact that they will keep bringing it back until we have better people in the EU Parliament just means that we have to win more victories. But these proposals came not from the EU Parliament (who you directly vote for), but from the EU Commission (who you do not). They have since been revived by several presidencies of the Council, who are also highly likely to be immune to your electoral displeasure. The EU Par…
Ah, my apologies—so how does the Commission get selected? Presumably there's still some way to influence it, even if it's indirect.
No problem... it's not straightforward at all.
Each member state nominates a Commissioner candidate, in consultation with the incoming Commission President. Each Commission candidate is interviewed by a Parliamentary committee, and (rarely) they might be rejected. I suppose you could pressure your MEP if they happen to be on the committee...
The MEPs as a group have to approve the whole Commission as a final stage and could reject them... but this has never happened. The closest thing to this would be the Commission of '99 that collectively resigned over corruption.
Re: New EU Chat Control proposal moves forward
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Flathub, the snap store, gnome software, etc. all technically meet the definitino of software application store. Makes me wonder (and worry) if they can stretch the definition to apply to standard package repos as well. Are we going to be entering an era where you have to verify your identity & age to apt-get software?
Or switch to P2P distribution. The real danger is if hardware becomes dongled by firmware that doesn’t allow you to install anything you want anymore.
Google's "all software must be signed by an author who has provided us with a copy of their government ID" suddenly seems a lot more sinister
Re: New EU Chat Control proposal moves forward
#26The EU has been taken over by terrorists and law enforcement does nothing. People behind Chat Controls should be arrested. These proposals are against German laws and other EU countries. It can be treated as terrorist attack attempt. It creates psychological and physical harm, indiscriminately for ideological gain. Textbook terrorism, except done by nice people in suits and there is no blood (yet).
The germans would love it most. Gotta find those people guilty of Wrong Think like nuclear power being safe.
The Germans have been the strongest opposition to this law.
Re: New EU Chat Control proposal moves forward
#27The EU has been taken over by terrorists and law enforcement does nothing. People behind Chat Controls should be arrested. These proposals are against German laws and other EU countries. It can be treated as terrorist attack attempt. It creates psychological and physical harm, indiscriminately for ideological gain. Textbook terrorism, except done by nice people in suits and there is no blood (yet).
The germans would love it most. Gotta find those people guilty of Wrong Think like nuclear power being safe.
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