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Re: Living my best Sun Microsystems ecosystem life in 2025

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UNIX was available for x86 systems for several years before Linux was released.

And what about *BSD?

I installed 386BSD 0.1 pretty soon after it was released in mid 1992.

This replaced Interactive Systems 386/ix that I had been using on the same PC since 1987.

Re: Living my best Sun Microsystems ecosystem life in 2025

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> No “AI” writing aids, no “AI” summaries, no ChatGPT, no Gemini search nonsense, nothing. I take pride in doing research and writing properly, without the “aid” of digital parrots with brain damage, and if there’s any errors, they’re mine and mine alone. Take pride in your work and reject “AI”. This guy better not be using spell check with a tantrum like that tagged to his opening line.

I like it. Remember when people used to have badges on their sites? Like HTML5 or XHTML or Apache or whatever. Maybe we could bring back one for "made by humans".

Re: Living my best Sun Microsystems ecosystem life in 2025

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I would love to hear counterpoints -- The Sun Ray thin client experience seems interesting, but the modern version of that seems to be the web/app/cloud ecosystem we have now (where the load and storage of your interaction are resident on some other system, potentially freeing up your local device from resource needs). Specifically, a self-hosted collaborative model with Nextcloud + Collabora or similar. I do wonder…

I used a Sun Ray for two summers when interning at Sun Labs in 2002 and 2003. They were kind of awesome and kind of sucked at the same time. First, the display wasn't that great for the time, and they were expensive for what you got. Second, we had ours hooked up to (one of) the labs' E10ks. Because it was shared amongst many users, some things could get janky under load. One thing in particular is that certain image formats were heavier than others, and the crappy Firefox at the time could cause jank for multiple users when processing image-heavy webpages.

It was a neat party trick to take your ID card out of your terminal and walk down the hall, put it into someone else's and boom, have your session, but that was more rare than you might think.

All in all I think I would prefer a workstation.

Admins on the other hand, probably preferred these. If the thin clients were more like $100-200, this would have taken over the world. But they were more like $1000+. Sun considered that a bargain. Which shows you what Sun thought consumers.

Re: Living my best Sun Microsystems ecosystem life in 2025

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> No “AI” writing aids, no “AI” summaries, no ChatGPT, no Gemini search nonsense, nothing. I take pride in doing research and writing properly, without the “aid” of digital parrots with brain damage, and if there’s any errors, they’re mine and mine alone. Take pride in your work and reject “AI”. This guy better not be using spell check with a tantrum like that tagged to his opening line.

If you think spell(1) is AI, you misunderstand at least one of them.

Re: Living my best Sun Microsystems ecosystem life in 2025

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> (200x) "Never bet against x86" -> (202x) "Never bet against ARM" Citation needed. There is only 1 workstation maker with ARM: Apple.

nvidia dgx spark? also, system76 has one: https://system76.com/desktops/thelio-astra-a1.1-n1/configure also, dell: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/dell-pro-m... HP is coming soon, will be called `ZGX Nano AI Station` apparently Also lenovo: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/workstations/thinkstation-p-s...

All of those use the same nVidia chip and the same nVidia provided Linux distro. Personally I'd be wary of spending $3500+ on a system that relies on nVidia support. They previously released an AI focused SBC, the Jetson Nano, that shipped with a custom distro based on the already aging Ubuntu 18.04, then abandoned support for it after a few years. All the dependencies required to run ML/AI stuff became outdated, and the hardware is now basically useless. It's possible to run mainline Linux on it, but you can't do anything with the GPU since that requires a special one-off driver that never got upstreamed.

Re: Living my best Sun Microsystems ecosystem life in 2025

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

nvidia dgx spark? also, system76 has one: https://system76.com/desktops/thelio-astra-a1.1-n1/configure also, dell: https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/dell-pro-m... HP is coming soon, will be called `ZGX Nano AI Station` apparently Also lenovo: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/workstations/thinkstation-p-s...

All of those use the same nVidia chip and the same nVidia provided Linux distro. Personally I'd be wary of spending $3500+ on a system that relies on nVidia support. They previously released an AI focused SBC, the Jetson Nano, that shipped with a custom distro based on the already aging Ubuntu 18.04, then abandoned support for it after a few years. All the dependencies required to run ML/AI stuff became outdated, and…

> All of those use the same nVidia chip and the same nVidia provided Linux distro

The system76 one uses an ampere chip, but a discrete nvidia card; so not quite the same.

Generally I agree, I do not mix nvidia/linux. The point is that arm workstations are clearly being produced by many different vendors at this point.

Re: Living my best Sun Microsystems ecosystem life in 2025

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I sold an old Ultra45 from my lab on eBay rather than letting the university people scrap it. It went for the equivalent of $2000 (which I later donated to a charity) and attracted quite a bidding war. Apparently at least one major airport (I won't say where or in which bit of the world) used one to control its landing light system and were, through a weird network of contractors, looking to buy more hardware for red…

Yup, the most desirable RISC systems are in the four figure range these days. SGIs have a zealous collector community and a long tail of applications like simulators keeping up demand.

Re: Living my best Sun Microsystems ecosystem life in 2025

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post #23

I would love to hear counterpoints -- The Sun Ray thin client experience seems interesting, but the modern version of that seems to be the web/app/cloud ecosystem we have now (where the load and storage of your interaction are resident on some other system, potentially freeing up your local device from resource needs). Specifically, a self-hosted collaborative model with Nextcloud + Collabora or similar. I do wonder…

I used a Sun Ray for two summers when interning at Sun Labs in 2002 and 2003. They were kind of awesome and kind of sucked at the same time. First, the display wasn't that great for the time, and they were expensive for what you got. Second, we had ours hooked up to (one of) the labs' E10ks. Because it was shared amongst many users, some things could get janky under load. One thing in particular is that certain image…

> But they were more like $1000+. Sun considered that a bargain. Which shows you what Sun thought consumers.

For Sun hardware? I'm pretty sure that was a bargin

Re: Living my best Sun Microsystems ecosystem life in 2025

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"Hot desking like it's 2007"...

Nowadays instead of carrying a smartcard you carry a slim 13" laptop and plug in a single USB-C cable from the docking station. Much better, yes. But just being able to plug in a smart card in a meeting room and get going instantly would be appreciated even today.

Re: Living my best Sun Microsystems ecosystem life in 2025

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UNIX was available for x86 systems for several years before Linux was released.

And what about *BSD?

1988: Sun Roadrunner (368i), SunOS 4.0 (before it got polluted with all that System V crap):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun386i

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