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Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by palata »

MYEUHD wrote: post #14
charcircuit wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's already happening today. https://grapheneos.org/ But for the reason an antiquated os like postmarketos are suggested is that the project is being opportunistic thinking this is a chance they can be relevant. Additionally, the population of HN has more sentimental view on these legacy operating systems and view it as a chance to go back to the past and use software they are familiar with.

> That's already happening today. That's not a hard fork. They always rebase on top of AOSP when there's a new AOSP source release

There is no reason to hard fork, as long as Google contributes to AOSP without breaking it.

Regulators in the US decided that Android did not have to be split from Google, but they could theoretically decide that Google is not allowed to break AOSP to gain a competitive advantage. Not that it would matter: TooBigTech is too powerful to care about regulations anyway.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by cbolton »

24t wrote: post #17
toastal wrote: post #3

This will become increasingly important as Google has boiled the frog too fast while trying to force its new store policies + banning sideloading; however, all of the pieces are now in place for them to try again in a year or 2, which history shows us they will. It’s certainly time to start toying with Linux phones if you haven’t already. This year I picked up an Xperia 10 to flash Sailfish OS on—which has rough edge…

> sideloading It's called installing. Language matters and I see no reason to concede this point in Google's favour.

You can also install through the Play store. Sideloading is more specific.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by palata »

realusername wrote: post #19
MYEUHD wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's already happening today. That's not a hard fork. They always rebase on top of AOSP when there's a new AOSP source release

Nobody really want a hard fork, if you can't run Android apps, you might as well use a Linux distribution.

Well the idea would be to run Android apps on the hard fork :-).

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by m4rtink »

charcircuit wrote: post #12
palata wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I never get is: why not prepare to fork AOSP? I like the security model of AOSP :-).

That's already happening today. https://grapheneos.org/ But for the reason an antiquated os like postmarketos are suggested is that the project is being opportunistic thinking this is a chance they can be relevant. Additionally, the population of HN has more sentimental view on these legacy operating systems and view it as a chance to go back to the past and use software they are familiar with.

How is Postmarket OS antiquated ? Its just a standard Linux distro (unlike anything Android based).

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by dugite-code »

palata wrote: post #18
dugite-code wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wanted to like Graphene OS but I ended up bouncing off it due to a few major pain points that badly effected battery life. - Using the default 5g setting resulted in far worse battery life than stock, telling people to choose 4g isn't a solution. They desperately need something like the adaptive connectivity service. - Using Homeassistant's GPS tracking feature just destroyed the battery life, even switching…

> No normal user is going to be happy with Grapheneos. I am a normal user, extremely happy with GrapheneOS. I just don't use HomeAssistant, which seems to have been your dealbreaker in this case. I genuinely don't see a difference between Stock Android and GrapheneOS, except that I get more updates and I have more privacy controls (like scopes, but honestly I haven't had a need to use them yet).

You are very fortunate for not hitting any edge cases, but sorry anyone commenting here typically isn't anywhere near to what you could call a "normal user". I ran into quite few minor issues with the enhanced security settings, my partner would never been able to figure out the solution to that issue and I consider them a normal user.

Not to mention the 5g battery drain is a hard show stopper, not just Homeassistant issues. I even experimented with different apps like owntracks but same problem with GPS.

I found a solution to the GPS icon but it requires an ADB command so not a great fix.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by charcircuit »

m4rtink wrote: post #24
charcircuit wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's already happening today. https://grapheneos.org/ But for the reason an antiquated os like postmarketos are suggested is that the project is being opportunistic thinking this is a chance they can be relevant. Additionally, the population of HN has more sentimental view on these legacy operating systems and view it as a chance to go back to the past and use software they are familiar with.

How is Postmarket OS antiquated ? Its just a standard Linux distro (unlike anything Android based).

At least in regards to the security model, it is decades out of date. For example any app can listen to your microphone and spy on you at anytime. Programs can act as ransomeware or destroy all of your files. Stealers can steal your login credentials and access tokens for all your sites including banking ones.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by makeitdouble »

cbolton wrote: post #22
24t wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> sideloading It's called installing. Language matters and I see no reason to concede this point in Google's favour.

You can also install through the Play store. Sideloading is more specific.

Would you make the same distinction on a mac when installing Photoshop from the Adobe installer vs installing KeyNote from the MacStore ?

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by geokon »

24t wrote: post #17
toastal wrote: post #3

This will become increasingly important as Google has boiled the frog too fast while trying to force its new store policies + banning sideloading; however, all of the pieces are now in place for them to try again in a year or 2, which history shows us they will. It’s certainly time to start toying with Linux phones if you haven’t already. This year I picked up an Xperia 10 to flash Sailfish OS on—which has rough edge…

> sideloading It's called installing. Language matters and I see no reason to concede this point in Google's favour.

Doesn't feel like any conspiracy.. Isn't sideloading installing through adb instead of from the system itself? (by clicking on an APK or using an app Store like Xiaomi/Googled/Huawei/Fdroid)

"Side" being.. from your computer

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by Ghoelian »

pbmonster wrote: post #9
tapia wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just bought a second Fairphone 4 just to play a bit with pmOS. I'm really surprised by the state it is. It's not fully usable as a daily driver yet, but with some work it can get there. Waydroid works also pretty good. Of course, the major problem are banking apps and similar. I hope that some progress can be done in this direction. And, who needs working audio, if you can have python and git in your phone!? :P

> Waydroid works also pretty good. Did you test apps that need sensors and notifications? If I want to run an OpenStreetmaps apk (there's no good way to run OMS on Linux natively), do I get GPS and compass heading? Do I get turn-by-turn navigation? Even if the app is in the background?

Organic Maps has a flatpak, though oddly they don't refer to a desktop app on their website anywhere so idk how trustworthy this is.

Unfortunately CoMaps doesn't seem to have desktop client builds at all yet.

Re: Android/Linux Dual Boot

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Post by realusername »

palata wrote: post #23
realusername wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody really want a hard fork, if you can't run Android apps, you might as well use a Linux distribution.

Well the idea would be to run Android apps on the hard fork :-).

If you can run Android apps then you need the same behavior as AOSP or I'm missing something?

If you don't rebase from AOSP, the apps won't run pretty quickly.

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