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Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by mindcrash »

chris37879 wrote: post #5
jmkni wrote: post #2

Windows is solid under the hood, but the UI/UX is crap and has gotten progressively worse over the years MacOS isn't perfect either, but it is so much better in not trying to upsell you at every single opportunity Just let me use my fucking computer lol

Exactly this. I use a Macbook for my day to day computing, programming, and general internet use. I have a Windows 11 gaming rig. Well, it turns out Hades 2 runs great on my macbook and that's been my game as of late, so the desktop hasn't been powered on in weeks. I just don't like Windows 11, and Linux just isn't there yet for my mixed DPI monitor setup (though I hear is getting close), or VR titles just yet.

SteamVR runs great on Linux, unless for some oddly reason your favorite desktop on GNOME. Valve tested it on X11, KDE Plasma on Wayland (because duh) and wlroots (hyprland and friends) without problems.

There are tons of people happily running mixed DPI setups with -at least- wlroots based compositors (although first time setup can be a bit tricky, as these are built by hackers for hackers)

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by pjmlp »

graemep wrote: post #13
pjmlp wrote: post #9

Unfortunately I kind of doubt it, although Windows is still what I get to use, not paying Apple tax and Tahoe isn't great either, and I have better things to do than fine tuning Linux installations, even on laptops sold with it pre-installed like my old Asus netbook. Lets see in practice how much they are actually listening. Now, this would be a great opportunity to actually get stuff like Dell XPS with Ubuntu on PC…

> I have better things to do than fine tuning Linux installations, even on laptops sold with it pre-installed like my old Asus netbook This seems to be claiming Windows is better because you cannot fine tune it. No one forces you to fine tune Linux. You can just buy something with Linux preinstalled and use it and skip the tuning and customisation.

Unfortunately I have the experience that is hardly the case in regards to laptops.

Using various Linux distributions since kernel 1.0.9, Slackware 2.0.

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by pjmlp »

chrisandchris wrote: post #19
pjmlp wrote: post #9

Unfortunately I kind of doubt it, although Windows is still what I get to use, not paying Apple tax and Tahoe isn't great either, and I have better things to do than fine tuning Linux installations, even on laptops sold with it pre-installed like my old Asus netbook. Lets see in practice how much they are actually listening. Now, this would be a great opportunity to actually get stuff like Dell XPS with Ubuntu on PC…

Like one could say > and I have better things to do than uninstall Teams, LinkedIn, Spotify and undo some random settings after each update. about Windows.

Except Windows is available on PC stores where humans can be talked in person for sorting out issues, while most Linux powered laptops have to be ordered online, with various degrees of missing functionality, with a black box when comes to sending them back for repairs.

Same applies to Apple, Chromebooks and Android pseudo laptops regarding stores available with out of the box experience, the latter two while using the Linux kernel aren't certainly GNU/Linux distributions.

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by viraptor »

pjmlp wrote: post #23
chrisandchris wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like one could say > and I have better things to do than uninstall Teams, LinkedIn, Spotify and undo some random settings after each update. about Windows.

Except Windows is available on PC stores where humans can be talked in person for sorting out issues, while most Linux powered laptops have to be ordered online, with various degrees of missing functionality, with a black box when comes to sending them back for repairs. Same applies to Apple, Chromebooks and Android pseudo laptops regarding stores available with out of the box experience, the latter two while using t…

> Windows is available on PC stores where humans can be talked in person for sorting out issues

Has anyone actually achieved anything non-trivial with those? In my experience store help can only do what an average techy knows anyway. Anything else gets you sent to the manufacturer's support.

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by viraptor »

pjmlp wrote: post #9

Unfortunately I kind of doubt it, although Windows is still what I get to use, not paying Apple tax and Tahoe isn't great either, and I have better things to do than fine tuning Linux installations, even on laptops sold with it pre-installed like my old Asus netbook. Lets see in practice how much they are actually listening. Now, this would be a great opportunity to actually get stuff like Dell XPS with Ubuntu on PC…

> like my old Asus netbook

Not to say that experience was invalid, but we've come a long way since the netbooks were a thing.

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by up-n-atom »

z3ratul163071 wrote: post #17
up-n-atom wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dual boot with Fedora but rarely ever boot into Windows, last week was 1 of those times and seeing the menu render on right click in explorer had me shutting down in frustration. How did we forget about deferred rendering, offscreen buffers, etc. And why is it so darn slow? It’s a deplorable experience and it’s obvious strictly Windows users have become desensitized and numb to it all.

on my last machine i maybe booted windows 5 times. when switching to the new machine i realized i did not actually need windows at all already for 2-3 years straight. so now I don't have dual boot. only arch with kde.

I maintain multi OS documentation at pon.wiki and it’s just easier for me this way as it’s distraction free, synced to a NAS. I could setup a VM or another system but I’ve always maintained a separate disk as it’s economical with licensing.

At 1 point I was using https://looking-glass.io/ but half of my time is spent doing digital art and couldn’t part with the discrete gpu full time.

I had to take screenshots and that was as frustrating where it just works in macOS and all Linux DEs but Microsoft broke that as well.

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by robocat »

pjmlp wrote: post #23
chrisandchris wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like one could say > and I have better things to do than uninstall Teams, LinkedIn, Spotify and undo some random settings after each update. about Windows.

Except Windows is available on PC stores where humans can be talked in person for sorting out issues, while most Linux powered laptops have to be ordered online, with various degrees of missing functionality, with a black box when comes to sending them back for repairs. Same applies to Apple, Chromebooks and Android pseudo laptops regarding stores available with out of the box experience, the latter two while using t…

> where humans can be talked in person for sorting out issues

Like the Geek Squad counter in Best Buy? PC setup $39.99 OS Repair $149.99 (presumably also needs data backup $99.99)

I'm in NZ, and help with Windows is expensive here. I have mostly given up helping friends (many reasons including the "last person to touch it" problem).

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by pjmlp »

viraptor wrote: post #25
pjmlp wrote: post #9

Unfortunately I kind of doubt it, although Windows is still what I get to use, not paying Apple tax and Tahoe isn't great either, and I have better things to do than fine tuning Linux installations, even on laptops sold with it pre-installed like my old Asus netbook. Lets see in practice how much they are actually listening. Now, this would be a great opportunity to actually get stuff like Dell XPS with Ubuntu on PC…

> like my old Asus netbook Not to say that experience was invalid, but we've come a long way since the netbooks were a thing.

If it was so certain to win the lottery, as betting in getting a Linux Forums style of answer every single time there is a complaint about Linux hardware support.

Maybe that wasn't my only experience?

Even Dell XPS, Tuxedo and System 76 aren't without issues in regards to 100% supported hardware.

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by pjmlp »

robocat wrote: post #27
pjmlp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except Windows is available on PC stores where humans can be talked in person for sorting out issues, while most Linux powered laptops have to be ordered online, with various degrees of missing functionality, with a black box when comes to sending them back for repairs. Same applies to Apple, Chromebooks and Android pseudo laptops regarding stores available with out of the box experience, the latter two while using t…

> where humans can be talked in person for sorting out issues Like the Geek Squad counter in Best Buy? PC setup $39.99 OS Repair $149.99 (presumably also needs data backup $99.99) I'm in NZ, and help with Windows is expensive here. I have mostly given up helping friends (many reasons including the "last person to touch it" problem).

Good for you if Best Buy does sell laptops with Linux pre-installed, not around here.

Re: Windows president addresses current state of Windows 11 after AI backlash

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Post by pjmlp »

viraptor wrote: post #24
pjmlp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except Windows is available on PC stores where humans can be talked in person for sorting out issues, while most Linux powered laptops have to be ordered online, with various degrees of missing functionality, with a black box when comes to sending them back for repairs. Same applies to Apple, Chromebooks and Android pseudo laptops regarding stores available with out of the box experience, the latter two while using t…

> Windows is available on PC stores where humans can be talked in person for sorting out issues Has anyone actually achieved anything non-trivial with those? In my experience store help can only do what an average techy knows anyway. Anything else gets you sent to the manufacturer's support.

A lot, which is why normies go to them.
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