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The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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This might keep happening if nobody knows who "they" are. Those individuals need to be found and publically shamed.

fightchatcontrol.eu published the complete list of all countries stance on Chat Control and all representatives. They can be contacted via mail directly from the site.

Thanks for the link. While it will help to pressure undecided representatives and see who not to vote for in the future, the root cause of the problem remains unaddressed. Why do these proposals exist? Who/what is motivating them? It seems like nefarious actors are coordinating in secret, and they need to be exposed.

We should also try to minimize the number of useful idiots who are genuinely concerned about children's safety. There are two excuses being used to push these surveillance laws: CSAM scanning and content moderation for children. These are bad excuses and we need to call them out as such in every conversation.

CSAM scanning ignores the actual problem, which is the process by which CSAM is created. The root problem is the trafficking of children in physical space, not the tools used to transmit and store child porn, which are general purpose tools used to transmit and store anything. Our efforts and resources, as a matter of priority, should be spent on preventing children from being trafficked in the first place.

The under-16 social media ban ignores the actual problem of parental responsibility. We could implement configurable IP filters on the device itself at the OS level, with the setting being protected by a password parents can set, and this could be done completely offline. It would be way easier to implement and will work better than any of these remote solutions. And as a matter of principle: it is the responsibility of parents to decide how to raise their own children.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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That the EU has these “closed door” processes doesn’t sound very democratic. The frequency, aggression and coordination around chat control, both in the Uk and Eu tells me there is a single entity. It’s not just by chance

The “you voted wrong and will make you keep voting until you get it right” type of “democracy”.

"Not right now", "Remind me later"

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

fightchatcontrol.eu published the complete list of all countries stance on Chat Control and all representatives. They can be contacted via mail directly from the site.

Thanks for the link. While it will help to pressure undecided representatives and see who not to vote for in the future, the root cause of the problem remains unaddressed. Why do these proposals exist? Who/what is motivating them? It seems like nefarious actors are coordinating in secret, and they need to be exposed. We should also try to minimize the number of useful idiots who are genuinely concerned about children…

The purpose has never been to protect children; it's just a convenient motivation against which nobody would dare to object, just like mandating age restriction for porn sites is nothing more than an excuse to pushing further for elimination of anonymity, which started with porn sites exactly because nobody would dare exposing themselves for objecting to it. As I already wrote elsewhere, this happens while thousands of children are murdered in various wars, to their complete silence because going anywhere beyond the usual empty public condemnation followed by nothing would put them against very powerful foreign governments.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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This makes me feel pissed off. I used to be Pro EU, now I'm not so sure. (Suddenly I understand Trump voters.)

Same here. If this pass, I may start voting for Anti-EU parties, regardless for my disgust for them. This is too much of an important issue.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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So many attempts over the years to infringe upon citizens privacy and civil liberties, I don't know about the rest of EU population but I'm done with it. Might as well let it go pure evil so when the time comes, the people will be less hesitant to get rid of the whole EU bureaucracy and the armies of corporate lobbyists altogether

I'm curious about this mindset. Wouldn't it be easier to reform your system before it has gone "pure evil"? Or do you expect nobody cares enough to do that without the threat of impending doom to motivate them?

I believe people will typically not stand for their rights (even less so for other's rights) unless they are significantly bothered or led to think the situation is dire. This is not great, but it is also natural for the human condition: unless one is well-informed and especially conscious about the issues that come with reduction of rights, they will not even realize what is happening until it is happening.

Re: The disguised return of EU Chat Control

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Do you know where there is no chat control possible? XMPP / Jabber [1]. Private, convenient, reliable, distributed, free. [1] https://xmpp.org/

Isn't the same true for matrix as well? I appreciate xmpp as well but I have actually seen uses of matrix in open source community etc. a lot more so what are your thoughts on it? Note for anyone interested in matrix, to not use the main matrix.org but other instances as well to actually have more decentralization/distribution

Yes, you're right, matrix too. However, I've tried ruining servers for both, synapse for matrix and prosody for xmpp and I should say matrix felt very sluggish and limited, while prosody is fast and insanely flexible. In addition, client software for XMPP is more diverse and feature-rich, I'm particularly impressed by movim (web) and conversations (android). Also, there are variety of bridges for everything, e.g. matrix whatsapp or xmpp telegram, so one is not limited too much while committing to a certain messaging tech.
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