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Re: Someone forgot to renew NodeJS.org

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Wow, what recourse is available in this situation? None? Does this mean that 100% they are going to now be blackmailed to get their domain back?

Shouldn't be anything to worry about - here’s how the domain expiry process works. 1. Domain ‘expires’, and enters a 40 day grace period. I have read things that imply this can vary from registrar to registrar, but it seems pretty standard from what I have seen. 2. After the grace period, it enters a 30 day redemption period. Again, apparently this can vary, but I have yet to see it (admittedly I have only looked at…

What you say is correct. I'll chip in a bit on "registrar to registrar". In case of Namecheap,renewing a expired domain is just like renewing a regular domain. While other registrars charge re-activation fee, Namecheap has no additional fees. So, Ryan can just renew the domain instantly whenever this comes into his attention.

Re: Someone forgot to renew NodeJS.org

#22
post #3

Wow, what recourse is available in this situation? None? Does this mean that 100% they are going to now be blackmailed to get their domain back?

Nope, Namecheap doesn't practice the shady conditions practiced by other registrars. The expired domian can be renewed just like a regular domain. No extra fees and fuss involved.

Re: Someone forgot to renew NodeJS.org

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I know people make mistakes and overlook things, but really...there is no excuse for this. I get about 8 emails from my registrars warning me before a domain expires...60 days, 45 days, 30 days, 1 week, then one like every day until the date. Unless these emails are going to an address nobody is monitoring I can't see how this can get overlooked.

If an email was sent to a mailbox that wasn't being checked, it doesn't matter how many emails were sent. I don't know if it's the case, just guessing as one possibility.

Re: Someone forgot to renew NodeJS.org

#25
post #17

It used to be possible to pay for other people's domains (they still own it, you are just gifting the payment). Someone once renewed a hotmail domain after Microsoft forgot. Registrars should allowing gifting, source doesn't matter.

Many do actually.

There are some problems with allowing that though. In some cases a clueless CSR could allow the person paying for the domain to gain access to it. The assumption is wrongly made that if the person is paying for the domain they have rights to it. After paying they will simply say something like "oh, by the way my address needs to be changed" or open a conversation about something else and end up gaining access.

Re: Someone forgot to renew NodeJS.org

#26
post #23

ERROR 500.5150 - Too busy being rockstar tech

Please stop using this bs terminology, rockstars, ninjas and all that sort of crap. With all respect to Ryan he is just one of many great programmers.

No one can truly know the mind of another human being, but I'm pretty sure Carson Gross is sick of the term as well.

I do agree with you that sincere language is more likely than sarcastic derision to turn the tide, but you should know that you guys are on the same side.

Re: Someone forgot to renew NodeJS.org

#27
post #23

ERROR 500.5150 - Too busy being rockstar tech

Please stop using this bs terminology, rockstars, ninjas and all that sort of crap. With all respect to Ryan he is just one of many great programmers.

I think it's a gag on nodeJS's current trendiness.

Re: Someone forgot to renew NodeJS.org

#28
post #24

I know people make mistakes and overlook things, but really...there is no excuse for this. I get about 8 emails from my registrars warning me before a domain expires...60 days, 45 days, 30 days, 1 week, then one like every day until the date. Unless these emails are going to an address nobody is monitoring I can't see how this can get overlooked.

If an email was sent to a mailbox that wasn't being checked, it doesn't matter how many emails were sent. I don't know if it's the case, just guessing as one possibility.

That's exactly true. Emails bounce and the person who is in charge of the domain often changes jobs and the contact isn't changed. Some go straight to the spam bin.

But you'd be surprised at how many people ignore even postal notices that some registrars send.

What you have to keep in mind is that restoring domains that have expired is a profit center for registrars. [1]

And having incorrect email contact info helps as well since not only does it favor that profit center but it also prevents competitors from soliciting your accounts (as well as preventing spam, right?)

[1] In the case of the nodejs.org domain it was taken offline on the day of expiration. It wasn't deleted it didn't go into redemption. Generally most registrars give some grace period (but if you aren't getting the emails that doesn't really matter, does it?)

There is a new policy being floated by ICANN that addresses these issues. If I can find the link I will post.

Re: Someone forgot to renew NodeJS.org

#29
Also, 10 year registrations are typically only $80

If you have a serious domain, why not just grab the decade.

Domain prices will only go up, sometimes $1 a year, so there are savings too.

Re: Someone forgot to renew NodeJS.org

#30
post #3

Wow, what recourse is available in this situation? None? Does this mean that 100% they are going to now be blackmailed to get their domain back?

Shouldn't be anything to worry about - here’s how the domain expiry process works. 1. Domain ‘expires’, and enters a 40 day grace period. I have read things that imply this can vary from registrar to registrar, but it seems pretty standard from what I have seen. 2. After the grace period, it enters a 30 day redemption period. Again, apparently this can vary, but I have yet to see it (admittedly I have only looked at…

Your numbers are off.

Grace period (as you have pointed out somewhat) varies by registrar. The basis for what you are saying is how long a registrar has to delete the domain before they can get their money refunded. That time period is 45 days. So on the expiration date the registrar is automatically charged for the renewal. If they delete on day 45 (by a certain time depending on when registered) they will have their fee refunded. Consequently they can give a grace period if they want of up to 45 days but from a practical standpoint it's tricky to wait until the last minute before deleting (if you have a system problem on day 44 that prevents you from deleting 2000 names you're stuck with them).

After they delete the domain (which can theoretically be anytime and keep in mind that "delete" is different than "take off line" "change ownership" etc.) it goes into redemption.

It is in redemption for 30 days during which only the sponsoring registrar can submit the necessary report to get the domain back. With .com .net .org .info the cost for the registrar to get the name out of redemption is $40 plus the renewal fee.

Once 30 days have past it is in pending delete and goes into a 5 day black hole where nothing happens and not even the sponsoring registrar can get it back. After that 5 day period it's released and anyone can grab it, first come first serve.

nodejs.org as I pointed out elsewhere was simply taken offline. It wasn't "deleted" in the sense that it goes into redemption. From the registrars point of view this makes sense since it allows them (if they want) to charge a fee to restore the domain w/o having to incur any extra ($40) costs.

"the registrars theoretically start dropping the names"

The time the domains drop is not controlled by registrars. It's controlled by the registries. The registrars only control (in addition to other things pointed out) when the domain goes offline or gets "deleted" and enters redemption.

" it enters a 30 day redemption period. Again, apparently this can vary"

Can't vary it's 30 days.

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