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Vertical integration is the only thing that matters

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Re: Vertical integration is the only thing that matters

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You can at least get (3) for low/no cost with pre-commit hooks running locally and in CI.

The problem with hooks is they’re not enforced (in git) so you need to run them in CI.

Yes, that's what I was saying. But you can do that, and really easily, and it buys you a lot for very little.

Re: Vertical integration is the only thing that matters

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This article made me laugh and cry at the same time. I've spent so much time in my career trying to make things nice and seamless only to see my own team members throw out my careful work for something newer, shinier, and shittier. I was on a team that used Bazel. Like two devs took the time to figure out how it worked, everybody else just either worked around it or complained endlessly about it. I am now thoroughly…

> The second you turn your head though, your fellow teammates will conspire to replatform onto Go or Rust or NodeJS or GitHub Actions and make everything miserable again. Curious how would you use use Smalltalk in replace of GitHub Actions assuming you need a GitHub integrated CI runner?

All any build toolkit is is automations over bash. You can make your own. GitHub integration need not be any more than the most trivial thing that works. Your coworkers, naturally, won't be disciplined enough to keep the integration trivial and will build super complicated crap that's realty hard to troubleshoot, because they can.

Re: Vertical integration is the only thing that matters

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The Rails experience of 15 years ago is still achievable, with Rails, today. It's even better if you can believe it. You just have to throw out the notion of SPA frameworks and be willing to actually learn how HTML / CSS works. I read an article here a month ago about how nobody's willing to do that. The deficiency in web standards that SPA frameworks were invented to resolve have all been fixed, there's nothing they…

What's a good doc or code template for SPA-free Rails? What do you think of htmx + Rails?

Just use `rails new`. It's all built in.

Re: Vertical integration is the only thing that matters

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yes! couldn't agree more with your long post. Especially this part: "(This is exacerbated when components of the automation require internal-only tooling—the poor data scientist now needs to go read through a bunch of half-written, out-of-date documentation about tools they simply don't care about to do a task that is not a core responsibility for them.)" "Vertical integration" in my experience has just been turning…

It's also very easy to complain about how employees have résumé-focus in their approach to their work: “why should I bother to learn some internal-only tooling that I'll never use anywhere else (for a task that I don't really even care that much about…)?” But, to borrow a line from Warren VanderBurgh's ‘Children of the Magenta’: “(in the industry) we created you like this.” Another key flaw of precomposed automations…

Love seeing Children of the Magenta come up!
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