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OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.

There are many competing providers of commercial LLMs with equal capabilities, so another vendor would probably be happy to serve a leading Western market of 83 million people.

Yeah? Which commercial provider’s model do you think was trained without using lyrics?

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.

This assumes that tech companies can act above the law because they've got a new feature to jam down our throats. Have you considered that not everyone wants that? Or that it might not be the best thing?

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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post #14

I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.

In curious why you think the rule of law is a bluff.

I come from the country with the world’s oldest continuous parliament, and they change the law all the time. Arguably that’s all the majority of politicians do.

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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Of course the models are not human, but if you consider this situation as if they are persons, then the question becomes: May a person read lyrics and tell it to someone when asked, and the court's ruling basically says no, this may not happen, which makes little sense. I guess the main difference between the situation with language models and humans is one of scale. I think the question should be viewed like this, i…

> "May a person read lyrics and tell it to someone when asked"

If you sell tickets to an event where you read the lyrics aloud, it's commercial performance and you need to pay the author. (Usually a cover artist would be singing, but that's not a requirement.)

So it's not like a human can recite the lyrics anywhere freely either.

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.

This assumes that tech companies can act above the law because they've got a new feature to jam down our throats. Have you considered that not everyone wants that? Or that it might not be the best thing?

> Have you considered that not everyone wants that? Or that it might not be the best thing?

Did I suggest either of those things?

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.

> I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace

They're not saying no LLMs, they're saying no LLMs using lyrics without a license. OpenAI simply need to pay for a license, or train an LLM without using lyrics.

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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With AI slop showing up everywhere, there’s a real danger that folks will just no longer be motivated to produce real original content. With all major models not basically trained on nearly all available data, beyond the financial AI bubble about to burst there’s also a big content bubble that’s about exhausted as folks are just pumping out slop vs producing original creative human output. That may be the ultimate lo…

> Expect “made by a human” to soon be a tag associated with premium brands and customer experiences.

I went to a grammar school and I write in mostly pretty high-quality sentences with a bit of British English colloquialism. I spell well, spend time thinking about what I am saying and try to speak clearly, etc.

I've always tried to be kind about people making errors but I am currently retraining my mind to see spelling mistakes and grammar errors as inherent authenticity. Because one thing ChatGPT and its ilk cannot do -- I guess architecturally —- is act convincingly like those who misspell, accidentally coin new eggcorns, accidentally use malapropisms, or use novel but terrible grammar.

And you're right: IMO the rage against the cultural damage AI will do is only just beginning, and I don't think people have clocked on to the fact that economic havoc is built-in, success or failure.

The web/AI/software-tech industry will be loathed even more than it is now (and this loathing is increasingly justified)

Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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post #14

I am curious what happens if they call their bluff on this and cut off ChatGPT in Germany. Not that I think OpenAI is doing the right thing, just, I don’t think a country’s government can justify no commercial LLMs to its populace.

In curious why you think the rule of law is a bluff.

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Re: OpenAI may not use lyrics without license, German court rules

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many competing providers of commercial LLMs with equal capabilities, so another vendor would probably be happy to serve a leading Western market of 83 million people.

Yeah? Which commercial provider’s model do you think was trained without using lyrics?

I would imagine providers who want to comply will scan the LLM's output and pay a license fee to the owner if it contains lyrics.
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