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Re: Pomelli

#21

Post by aster0id »

bigiain wrote: post #17

Suspicious-me is wondering how Google are going to treat AI generated marketing slop created using Pomelli differently to slop created with other tools (or even human created marketing content) in search ranking? If I were an EvilGoogle manager, I'd have an enshittification playbook complete with a timeline and KPIs/OKRs mapped out - and probably already linked to individual engineer's promotion/RIF futures. They kno…

I doubt that the product folks over at Google overseeing an experimental project like this have such outsized influence over something core like the ads engine

Re: Pomelli

#22

Post by bigiain »

goshx wrote: post #15
echelon wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is going to kill Canva, Figma, and Adobe. Without a doubt. Nano Banana alone obsoleted all of Photoshop. (And the Chinese versions of Nano Banana are even better!) I'm most worried for my friends in creative though. I have some extremely talented friends at WPP and other agencies. Everyone is shaking in their boots. Nobody's buying ads because of the economy, then these tools are nipping at their heels. They've al…

> and Adobe Have you seen their announcements during Adobe Max? The AI features are mind blowing. Adobe is alive and well.

> Adobe is alive and well.

I wonder.

They're doing well with their existing customer base of digital creatives and related industries/professions.

Who may all be the buggy whip makers of the late 2020's.

Way too many of the people/companies who traditionally paid highly skilled and creative Photoshop users are rapidly moving away from doing that in favour of cheap GenAI slop.

I'm sure there are people in graphic design, illustration, videography, photography, UI/UX, 3D art, augmented reality, social media, creativity and design, collaboration and productivity, and education who are super excited about what Adobe is doing. I'm also sure almost all of those people are very concerned about their career choice and future (or are ignoring the reality of what's going on around them).

Sure, the top graphic designers in the world will still earn great money being highly creative for key clients. But the vast majority of people in those fields are not the top in their field, and the vast majority of clients those people invoice are going to consider cheap AI slop "good enough" for their businesses and use cases.

I have a 30+ year career in web related roles, working more or less closely with graphic designers, artists, illustrators, photographers, and other website development related professions. All of the ones I've remained friends with over that time are either deeply concerned about their career future, or have already jumped ship and become nurses, carpenters, teachers, caregivers, and even priests and drug dealers...

Re: Pomelli

#23

Post by bigiain »

aster0id wrote: post #21
bigiain wrote: post #17

Suspicious-me is wondering how Google are going to treat AI generated marketing slop created using Pomelli differently to slop created with other tools (or even human created marketing content) in search ranking? If I were an EvilGoogle manager, I'd have an enshittification playbook complete with a timeline and KPIs/OKRs mapped out - and probably already linked to individual engineer's promotion/RIF futures. They kno…

I doubt that the product folks over at Google overseeing an experimental project like this have such outsized influence over something core like the ads engine

I'm feeling deeply cynical here. I wonder if the people at Google overseeing this experiment are from or also oversee the ads engine team?

Re: Pomelli

#24

Post by trenchpilgrim »

userbinator wrote: post #20
rich_sasha wrote: post #10

Dare I ask: who owns the IP to all the generated content? User? Google? Some complex arrangement governed by a 20-page ToS?

AFAIK and this may have changed, but at least in the US, AI-generated content is not copyrightable so it's effectively public-domain.

That's incorrect. Start at "legal framework" on kage 7: https://www.copyright.gov/ai/Copyright-and-Artificial-Intell...

The short version is the copyright office says it is possible works by creative human authors using AI tools are partially copyrightable in many cases.

Re: Pomelli

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Post by 0x62 »

userbinator wrote: post #20
rich_sasha wrote: post #10

Dare I ask: who owns the IP to all the generated content? User? Google? Some complex arrangement governed by a 20-page ToS?

AFAIK and this may have changed, but at least in the US, AI-generated content is not copyrightable so it's effectively public-domain.

It's not that any content created by AI is not copyrightable, it's that work created solely by AI without human input is probably not copyrightable.

See also [1] mentioned in the framework linked by sibling comment, AI copyright is essentially a logical extension of this.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disput...

Re: Pomelli

#26

Post by bayarearefugee »

userbinator wrote: post #20
rich_sasha wrote: post #10

Dare I ask: who owns the IP to all the generated content? User? Google? Some complex arrangement governed by a 20-page ToS?

AFAIK and this may have changed, but at least in the US, AI-generated content is not copyrightable so it's effectively public-domain.

I think in reality its very much still undecided law in most ways that practically matter and a lot of decisions will still be made based on the pay rates of the lawyers for the different parties involved.

As a simple example, assume a specific LLM-based tool (like Google's own, or someone else's) happens to generate a social media mascot for you that looks a lot like the modern rendition of Mickey Mouse.

Let's see how long that creation flies as public domain because it came out of an AI (that almost certainly consumed a giant amount of content produced by Disney as part of its training).

Re: Pomelli

#27

Post by doctorpangloss »

tuananh wrote: post #19

this will kill a bunch of startups.

No matter how it pans out.

If no one uses it, that means the market has proven, no audience for this kind of product. Google loses, everyone else loses.

If everyone who wants this sort of thing uses it, that's it, Google won, everyone else loses.

The outcome to sell to investors is the least believable: people will pay for some offering when a nearly identical one is available directly from Google for free. And anyway, they have the best generative creative tech, so how could anything be better than Google's?

Re: Pomelli

#28

Post by echelon »

wizzledonker wrote: post #13
echelon wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is going to kill Canva, Figma, and Adobe. Without a doubt. Nano Banana alone obsoleted all of Photoshop. (And the Chinese versions of Nano Banana are even better!) I'm most worried for my friends in creative though. I have some extremely talented friends at WPP and other agencies. Everyone is shaking in their boots. Nobody's buying ads because of the economy, then these tools are nipping at their heels. They've al…

The reason most creative media is good is because you see the vision of a creative team or individual. If the vision is diluted due to lack of control afforded by AI tools, then the tools won’t be used. Many times in Hollywood have we seen directors spend unjustifiable amounts of money in the pursuit of creative control. Hand camera tracking a dinosaur in Jurassic Park, developing a novel diffraction algorithm for TH…

> lack of control afforded by AI

You should look at ComfyUI.

Control is here, it's just not widely distributed or easy to use.

If you're patient, you can fully control the set, blocking, angles. You can position your characters, relight them, precisely control props, etc. You have unlimited control over everything. It's just a mess right now.

Re: Pomelli

#29

Post by hhh »

bigiain wrote: post #17

Suspicious-me is wondering how Google are going to treat AI generated marketing slop created using Pomelli differently to slop created with other tools (or even human created marketing content) in search ranking? If I were an EvilGoogle manager, I'd have an enshittification playbook complete with a timeline and KPIs/OKRs mapped out - and probably already linked to individual engineer's promotion/RIF futures. They kno…

sounds really illegal and unlikely

Re: Pomelli

#30

Post by tavavex »

esperent wrote: post #14
thelifeofrishi wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

From your Twitter: > founder @orshotapp Maybe you should mention that when advertising your app?

Manually mentioning my conflict of interest when astroturf-advertising my product? That sounds way too tedious, inconvenient and inefficient. You have to remember to check if you're advertising right now, and there's not even an easy API to call for that. Now, I was just looking around the web the other day, and randomly stumbled into this brand new service, TavAutoAdMention, it's so good! I love its creator, too!
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