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RSF forces in Sudan's civil war are preparing for mass genocide

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Re: RSF forces in Sudan's civil war are preparing for mass genocide

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Post by sillyfluke »

Trasmatta wrote: post #10
bfkwlfkjf wrote: post #3

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What are you implying? That coverage of Sudan's civil war is unacceptable because of the terrible things happening in Gaza? I'm genuinely confused. There is literally constant coverage and discussion of war and genocide in Gaza.

Not defending the parent, but this kneejerk whataboutism might be due to Dem senator Cory Booker being cornered on Gaza in an interview and trying to sidestep it by saying "What about Africa? No one is talking about Sudan!" despite him himself rarely allocating significant time during his 25-hour marathon monologue in the senate to talk about the issue (Sudan) in detail.

Re: RSF forces in Sudan's civil war are preparing for mass genocide

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Post by hagbard_c »

churchill wrote: post #20
hagbard_c wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The important difference here is that nearly all of those countries both border those where the conflicts are and are ethnically and culturally similar to the conflicted regions. This is not true for western Europe (which is where most of these migrants want to go) which neither borders any of the conflicted regions nor is (or, locally, was) culturally similar to them. The exception to this in the list you quoted is…

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The answer to that question depends on who you ask. If you ask it to the electorate the answer is a more and more resounding 'yes, now, please'. If you ask it to the majority of politicians the answer ranges from "we can not, we're bound by international treaties" to "you're a racist/fascist/*-phobe for asking such questions'. There are a few politicians who have made it their motto to outdo each-other in calling for more stringent border policies and those politicians get a lot of votes but they mostly end up being sidelined through what is euphemistically dubbed a 'cordon sanitaire'. If one of them ends up having some power eventually the result is nearly always the same: they do no do what they have been promising all those years, pointing left and right for their reasons for not fulfilling their promises.

In theory the political systems we have here in western Europe which are based around forming coalition governments should allow for reaching compromises between the 'open borders' factions and the opposing 'our nation comes first' factions. In reality things often don't work that way due to the practice of shunning those parties which claim to want to act on the calls for more stringent migration policies, labelling them 'far-right/racist/xenophobic' and turning them into pariahs. The proponents of this practice do not seem to realise all they achieve is more polarisation and further radicalisation on all sides of the spectrum and that a single large event could end up giving power to one of those radicalised factions whether that be in their envisioned 'nazi takeover' style or along the lines of the premise of Houellebecq's 'Soumission' which foresees islamic law being implemented in France. A more likely outcome is for more countries to drop out of the EU to create local blocks like the Visegrad countries and the Nordic countries.

Re: RSF forces in Sudan's civil war are preparing for mass genocide

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Post by lores »

hagbard_c wrote: post #19
lores wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Countries housing the most refugees: Iran 3.5 million Türkiye 2.9 million Colombia 2.8 million Germany 2.7 million Uganda 1.8 million Pakistan 1.6 million Chad 1.3 million Poland 1 million Ethiopia 1 million Bangladesh 1 million Source: UNCHR, https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics

The important difference here is that nearly all of those countries both border those where the conflicts are and are ethnically and culturally similar to the conflicted regions. This is not true for western Europe (which is where most of these migrants want to go) which neither borders any of the conflicted regions nor is (or, locally, was) culturally similar to them. The exception to this in the list you quoted is…

The claim was that "Somehow [Europe] are morally and financially responsible of every failed society".

Which is demonstrably false, since Europe has fewer refugees than African, South American or Middle Eastern countries, in absolute numbers and percentage of population and financial resources.

Your claim that "countries both border those where the conflicts are and are ethnically and culturally similar to the conflicted regions" is similarly coarse and clueless, like a Chinese person saying Spain and Finland are ethnically and culturally similar because both are Western.

You also seem to have forgotten to switch back to your sockpuppet account.

Re: RSF forces in Sudan's civil war are preparing for mass genocide

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Post by hagbard_c »

lores wrote: post #23
hagbard_c wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The important difference here is that nearly all of those countries both border those where the conflicts are and are ethnically and culturally similar to the conflicted regions. This is not true for western Europe (which is where most of these migrants want to go) which neither borders any of the conflicted regions nor is (or, locally, was) culturally similar to them. The exception to this in the list you quoted is…

The claim was that "Somehow [Europe] are morally and financially responsible of every failed society". Which is demonstrably false, since Europe has fewer refugees than African, South American or Middle Eastern countries, in absolute numbers and percentage of population and financial resources. Your claim that "countries both border those where the conflicts are and are ethnically and culturally similar to the confli…

Which sockpuppet account would that be? Please point it out by name - you said it, now you prove it. An inquiring mind - and possibly more than one - wants to know.

My whole shtick here on this forum is that I just say what I think without worrying over whatever 'karma' hits I might get. Given that no sockpuppets are needed when you follow that approach I'm really curious to learn I seem to have some so, educate us.

Re: RSF forces in Sudan's civil war are preparing for mass genocide

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Post by piva00 »

lores wrote: post #17
sotiresome wrote: post #7

Another wave of refugees incoming to Europe. Somehow we are morally and financially responsible of every failed society

Countries housing the most refugees: Iran 3.5 million Türkiye 2.9 million Colombia 2.8 million Germany 2.7 million Uganda 1.8 million Pakistan 1.6 million Chad 1.3 million Poland 1 million Ethiopia 1 million Bangladesh 1 million Source: UNCHR, https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics

Refugees per capita is a more interesting metric to look at though, it wouldn't change the sadness of it all but as a metric it's much more relevant than just total amounts.

Re: RSF forces in Sudan's civil war are preparing for mass genocide

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Post by [deleted] »

hagbard_c wrote: post #19
lores wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Countries housing the most refugees: Iran 3.5 million Türkiye 2.9 million Colombia 2.8 million Germany 2.7 million Uganda 1.8 million Pakistan 1.6 million Chad 1.3 million Poland 1 million Ethiopia 1 million Bangladesh 1 million Source: UNCHR, https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics

The important difference here is that nearly all of those countries both border those where the conflicts are and are ethnically and culturally similar to the conflicted regions. This is not true for western Europe (which is where most of these migrants want to go) which neither borders any of the conflicted regions nor is (or, locally, was) culturally similar to them. The exception to this in the list you quoted is…

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