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Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by tombert »

yndoendo wrote: post #12

Who knew electing shitty representation leads to a shitty environment and economy? I wish those effected by the shitty government the best Forcing people to work and not pay them is slavery!

I got in trouble at a BigCo because I said "we all do this for the money", and they claimed that I had a "bad attitude".

But I don't think I was wrong. Work is fundamentally a business transaction; I sell my time and expertise and they give me money and benefits. Ultimately for any job I've had, even jobs that I really loved, if they stopped paying me I'd stop showing up [1]. It's nothing personal, that's just the transaction that I agreed to.

If I had some bloviating wannabe-demagogue telling me that I should keep working and to not expect backpay, I am quite confident that I would quit, or at least keep calling in sick. I am not going to blame anyone who would do the same. I have no fucking idea why half the country voted for this.

[1] This has actually been tested for one job.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by johncolanduoni »

gruez wrote: post #16
johncolanduoni wrote: post #8

The things that are and aren’t considered essential enough to fund during a government shutdown are insane. Is this enshrined in a statute somewhere? Feels like adding air traffic controllers to that list should be a no-brainer (and broadly politically popular).

>Is this enshrined in a statute somewhere? Feels like adding air traffic controllers to that list should be a no-brainer (and broadly politically popular). They are considered essential. That means they have to work, but not be paid. https://time.com/7329683/government-shutdown-flight-delays-c...

But it seems like certain jobs are funded for the duration anyway (infamously, members of Congress are one). Who would argue that air traffic controllers shouldn’t be on that rarefied list?

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by CamperBob2 »

otterley wrote: post #5
matmo wrote: post #4

What does this actually mean? All flights around JFK are cancelled until further notice? Can someone translate? Does this affect EWR and LGA?

Any flights that are to depart for JFK but are still on the ground must stay put until the expiration or cancellation of the stop. No, it doesn’t impact other airports.

Any disruption at one major airport affects pretty much all the airports, if it lasts long enough. Those grounded planes will soon be expected elsewhere.

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Post by nocoiner »

johncolanduoni wrote: post #8

The things that are and aren’t considered essential enough to fund during a government shutdown are insane. Is this enshrined in a statute somewhere? Feels like adding air traffic controllers to that list should be a no-brainer (and broadly politically popular).

Lots of things enshrined in statute (appropriations, prohibitions on impoundment, the name of the Department of Defense) have been disregarded in this year of our lord 2025.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by Zagitta »

crm9125 wrote: post #19
johncolanduoni wrote: post #8

The things that are and aren’t considered essential enough to fund during a government shutdown are insane. Is this enshrined in a statute somewhere? Feels like adding air traffic controllers to that list should be a no-brainer (and broadly politically popular).

Meh, flying is a luxury. We can all stay put until the government pulls its head out of its ass.

Planes transport more things than people, like organs for transplants. Are those a luxury too?

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by johncolanduoni »

crm9125 wrote: post #19
johncolanduoni wrote: post #8

The things that are and aren’t considered essential enough to fund during a government shutdown are insane. Is this enshrined in a statute somewhere? Feels like adding air traffic controllers to that list should be a no-brainer (and broadly politically popular).

Meh, flying is a luxury. We can all stay put until the government pulls its head out of its ass.

Not if you want the economy to keep functioning. A lot of people doing real work (e.g. engineers flying out to fix medical devices) rely on air travel.

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Post by evilduck »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #13
johncolanduoni wrote: post #8

The things that are and aren’t considered essential enough to fund during a government shutdown are insane. Is this enshrined in a statute somewhere? Feels like adding air traffic controllers to that list should be a no-brainer (and broadly politically popular).

Isn't the point of the government shutdown to be painful? It's a self-imposed failure condition, we could "optimize" it by removing the shutdown entirely.

Agreed, but the people who can legislate away shutdowns are the same ones who are currently using shutdowns as a political tool. There's no chance the current climate would do that.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by evilduck »

crm9125 wrote: post #19
johncolanduoni wrote: post #8

The things that are and aren’t considered essential enough to fund during a government shutdown are insane. Is this enshrined in a statute somewhere? Feels like adding air traffic controllers to that list should be a no-brainer (and broadly politically popular).

Meh, flying is a luxury. We can all stay put until the government pulls its head out of its ass.

Air cargo is also going to be impacted.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by ipython »

My concern is that we will end up in a state of perpetual government "shutdown". The republicans, instead of reopening the entire government, will simply choose agencies to fund in order to keep the pain felt by the American people just low enough so they don't get fired (ala office space).

Once that happens, Congress has basically iced itself out. Oversight from unfriendly government agencies? No worries, they're shut down because they're unpaid. And clearly this demonstrates the executive needs more power, since Congress is completely frozen. Finally, the Supreme Court is no longer an issue either, since that's not funded either.

Someone tell me why this couldn't happen.

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