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Dunno, I'm pretty interested in HarmonyOS considering it's a major commercial OS that has come along in a long time, and features a number of technological differences such as a pure microkernel, compared to the existing big 3. Despite that we (I) know next to nothing about it, neither on the user nor the technical side, so a bunch of deep dives would be welcome.
HarmonyOS 6 Full Overview: New Design, AI Features and Privacy Upgrades [video]
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Okay so it won't run Android apps necessarily or be able to access the regular app stores/Play Store. It will need popular apps to be re-released for HarmonyOS NEXT
Considering Huawei has hundreds of millions of users in China alone, I don't think getting big companies onboard will be difficult.
But by the look of it, Huawei has a lot of political capital to make it happen, because it is the only company competent enough to push out production OS not entirely based on Linux.
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Considering Huawei has hundreds of millions of users in China alone, I don't think getting big companies onboard will be difficult.
There are pushbacks from other Chinese giants like Tencent. No one wants some single company to have a monopoly in the OS business. But by the look of it, Huawei has a lot of political capital to make it happen, because it is the only company competent enough to push out production OS not entirely based on Linux.
As for Huawei using their political capital to push their stuff, from what I've seen of the Chinese EV market, the government doesn't really pick winners there, and lets the market figure it out.
Is Huawei making some heavy-handed anticompetitive moves, or are they trying to standardize their OS across the government services?
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#25In my opinion, the only realistic change to the current mobile duopoly will be an OS coming from China. Especially, as Google has finally started taking steps to kill Android openness as we know it (reducing contributions to AOSP and disallowing side loading), HarmonyOs has a real chance to shake things up
So you are saying an OS from China will be on the path of openness and privacy as opposed to iOS and Android? I'd say that's a stretch or wishful thinking. I'd say Europe, if at least few major Govts push it and fund it. But no one knows of course.
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There are pushbacks from other Chinese giants like Tencent. No one wants some single company to have a monopoly in the OS business. But by the look of it, Huawei has a lot of political capital to make it happen, because it is the only company competent enough to push out production OS not entirely based on Linux.
Interesting! From your name I assume you're familiar with the Chinese OS/tech sphere, could you maybe take the time to tell a bit more about what the big Chinese vendors are up to? I've heard that Xiaomi is building their Linux (but not Android) based HyperOS. How is the indigenous OS/platform scene looking nowadays in China? As for Huawei using their political capital to push their stuff, from what I've seen of the…
In general I think the bigger players are definitely more interested in building their own OS, either Linux based on something different. But I'm not really familiar with the scene. For such discussion I recommend V2EX (Google translate works fine).
The government insight is correct. The Chinese government, and especially local governments like the provincial ones, actively welcome competition in hot things such as AI or EV.
The central government encourages over-competition because -- first, over-competition encourages fast iteration, so technology advances very fast, literally in a few years; second, it keeps the price to bare minimum, which also has the benefit of pushing out foreign competitions; third, eventually, a few big players will emerge as the winners, and then they can compete internationally.
The local governments encourage it too, because -- well, if my fellow provinces have something good, I better have one too. It's good for employment and tax.
The downside of over-competition is that eventually most of the smaller players get washed out, and "human capital" depreciates faster (the Chinese jokingly call workers "human minerals"). But I guess they believe the upsides are bigger than the downsides.
Regarding Huawei, it is in a very good position to fulfill the "localize-computer-infra" policy the Chinese government started to implement since maybe 10 years ago (remember the de-IBM, de-Oracle stories in the banking sector?), because it can offer a whole range of solutions from the OS to Database to hardware. No other companies can do the same. I'm sure the Chinese government wants more competition, but the other players simply are not competent enough to challenge Huawei at the moment.
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#27In my opinion, the only realistic change to the current mobile duopoly will be an OS coming from China. Especially, as Google has finally started taking steps to kill Android openness as we know it (reducing contributions to AOSP and disallowing side loading), HarmonyOs has a real chance to shake things up
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#28Please Huawei, save us from this damned iOS-Android duopoly!
We’ve got Linux.
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#29In my opinion, the only realistic change to the current mobile duopoly will be an OS coming from China. Especially, as Google has finally started taking steps to kill Android openness as we know it (reducing contributions to AOSP and disallowing side loading), HarmonyOs has a real chance to shake things up
If you look at who contributes 99+% of aosp patches, nothing has actually changed. The same group of companies are still working on it. There is just less public openness about the process as it happens (eg open source code reviews). A lot of this was already happening but there was a strange duplication of process causing workflow problems depending on which way you were developing. They simplified it to a single pr…
Google has kept an infamously tight leash that OEMs must not stray too far from; the Open Handset Alliance ensures certain Google apps come pre-installed, down to homescreen placement. The OHA mandates OEMs not release "incompatible" versions of Android, or other mobile OS', as well. Should an OEM want to sell Windows Mobile, Amazons FireOS, or Firefox's mobile OS, they will likely lose their license to sell anything with the brand name Android.
Google has also been moving away from the 'O' in AOSP for some time as well. Running many AOSP apps means dealing with what Google treats as abandonware, such as the eMail app, Contacts, and the open launcher (replaced with Google's proprietary launcher).
I'm certain I don't have to tell this crowd about the death of bootloader unlocking and the ROM scene. Telling me this isn't pushed by Google (which I agree with), and following up with "And Google has no way to prevent this" isn't something I see as believable. Google mandates where the YouTube and Chrome apps get placed on the homescreen; you're telling me that, in order to be licensed as Android, Google can't similarly mandate bootloader unlocking?
Nothing changed last week, or even the week before, but the direction isn't terribly difficult to see, IMO.
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Interesting! From your name I assume you're familiar with the Chinese OS/tech sphere, could you maybe take the time to tell a bit more about what the big Chinese vendors are up to? I've heard that Xiaomi is building their Linux (but not Android) based HyperOS. How is the indigenous OS/platform scene looking nowadays in China? As for Huawei using their political capital to push their stuff, from what I've seen of the…
I can read Chinese but I left China a couple of decades ago, so my source is probably as good as yours. In general I think the bigger players are definitely more interested in building their own OS, either Linux based on something different. But I'm not really familiar with the scene. For such discussion I recommend V2EX (Google translate works fine). The government insight is correct. The Chinese government, and esp…