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US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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I’ve always argued that the US is the most powerful passport despite not granting access to the most countries for one simple reason: it’s one of only half a dozen passports that lets you visit the US visa free.

What are the others? Canada, I'm sure, who else?

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#22

Does this really matter? US is the most powerful country in the world economically and militarily and maybe even culturally.

It matters if you like to travel. I dislike having to apply for a visa to travel somewhere. I'm blessed with a Mexican passport which means I can go almost anywhere in the world just with my passport.

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post #6

I agree that Dual Citizenship is a dream among a large plurality of Americans, but I don’t think it’s for Visa-free tourism. I think it’s because a growing number of Americans feel that the country is unstable and likely headed toward a failed-state status.

There aren’t that many places out of America’s orbit where you would want to live. If by failure you mean fascist and authoritarian, America could still reach you.

> still reach you

Yeah but the effort just went up 10x

Besides I don’t think they are moving to resist the fascism. It’s to seek an alternative and carry on living.

Re: US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Been exploring it in my household for sure.

Same. It's shifted from an escapist fantasy about getting away from it all to a more literal definition of "escapist fantasy". if it weren't for family & friend ties binding us to our geographical area it'd already be a lot more serious. We're not *that* far from a low end FIRE situation, so a move to a more LCOL country could make a ton of sense and escape ... all of this.

I get a lot of grief for it from a few people but the simple fact is it’s gone from an unthinkable possibility to something I would consider a single-digit- percentage possibility. At that point it feels like something I need to at least be moderately prepared for. Especially as someone in the gulf south.

It just doesn’t feel very safe down here anymore. Watching ICE roll through in full equipment on armored vehicles during Mardi Gras this year was a serious wake up call. That’s not the kind of show of force you do for shits and giggles. That’s textbook “send them a message.”

Re: US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

#25

I’ve always argued that the US is the most powerful passport despite not granting access to the most countries for one simple reason: it’s one of only half a dozen passports that lets you visit the US visa free.

I would argue it's dangerous to be having US passport simply because US historically, has been in wars with of lot of countries and some people of such nations would be ready to kidnap one.

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post #6

I agree that Dual Citizenship is a dream among a large plurality of Americans, but I don’t think it’s for Visa-free tourism. I think it’s because a growing number of Americans feel that the country is unstable and likely headed toward a failed-state status.

It looks like a huge hassle, but I should be able to get citizenship in an EU county based on ancestry. I should do that sooner than later.

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post #21

I’ve always argued that the US is the most powerful passport despite not granting access to the most countries for one simple reason: it’s one of only half a dozen passports that lets you visit the US visa free.

What are the others? Canada, I'm sure, who else?

Bermuda, Palau, Micronesia, the Marshall Islands, and subject to some rules, the Bahamas and a few British Overseas Territories in the Caribbean.

Re: US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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post #21

I’ve always argued that the US is the most powerful passport despite not granting access to the most countries for one simple reason: it’s one of only half a dozen passports that lets you visit the US visa free.

What are the others? Canada, I'm sure, who else?

Canada, Marshall Islands, Micronesia and Palau. A very weird assortment of countries, aside from Canada.

https://www.passportindex.org/comparebyDestination.php?p1=us...

Re: US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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post #6

I agree that Dual Citizenship is a dream among a large plurality of Americans, but I don’t think it’s for Visa-free tourism. I think it’s because a growing number of Americans feel that the country is unstable and likely headed toward a failed-state status.

> I agree that Dual Citizenship is a dream among a large plurality of Americans

I would be shocked if it’s even above 10%.

Re: US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

#30

I’ve always argued that the US is the most powerful passport despite not granting access to the most countries for one simple reason: it’s one of only half a dozen passports that lets you visit the US visa free.

> it’s [US passport] one of only half a dozen passports that lets you visit the US visa free.

That is just false. EU passports can travel to USA Visa free and that’s 27 countries right there.

edit: Oh unless you count ESTA as a type of visa. You have to fill out a 5min always-approved form online.

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