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I don’t think the mix of engineers we’ve been producing is right for this. We need a whole generation of folks at a higher hardware:software ratio. Check back in a decade to see if we’ve seriously started.

Does America need to produce the talent or can they import it?

Well, they can't import it any more.

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I left the semiconductor industry 30 years ago but back then every company had "a fab that hasn't been completed in Arizona" that people would talk fondly of perhaps opening one day if business picks up. Seems like not much has changed.

I always thought it was funny that for my entire lifetime people have talked about Arizona being perfect for fabs because it's dry there and not subject to tremors meanwhile Taiwan where 60% of all chips are produced (and 90% of the most sensitive ones) is tropical and has earthquakes fairly frequently.

Maybe chaos monkeys help innovation

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Is America's semiconductor boom real? How much capacity are we building? What processes? What types of semiconductor products? High end? Middle? Low? How much capacity? Can we substitute or replace Taiwan in the future in the event of conflict? I can't watch the video right now, but I'm curious about its claims. Or any additional HNer context.

This video has lots of details, but conspicuously absent is exactly WHAT chips are being made in Arizona. I guess it's still a closely-guarded secret for some reason.

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This is actually a good video (I say actually because this youtuber sometimes has surface-level reporting on things, but this one is quite a bit better).

It's investigative on-the-ground reporting of the TSMC plant in Arizona, and the recent SemiCon West conference.

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Does America need to produce the talent or can they import it?

The talent is already here, the employers just need to pay better.

And attract them away from what? What are these skilled people doing? Does a photolithography skill set enable you to moonlight at some other gig such that they're here and keeping their skills fresh and we're just not noticing?

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The talent is already here, the employers just need to pay better.

And attract them away from what? What are these skilled people doing? Does a photolithography skill set enable you to moonlight at some other gig such that they're here and keeping their skills fresh and we're just not noticing?

I was a fab tool owner. My last paycheck in a semiconductor position was in the mid-200s. I went into software and make double that in the same metro. Same level of responsibility. I don’t even work in machine learning.

To take your photolithography example though, I know someone who went litho tool owner -> camera team at Apple -> Meta reality labs. FAANGs want semiconductor process engineers just so they can spend all day yelling at underpaid Asian vendor semiconductor process engineers who are doing the actual work.

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What's TSMC's headcount down in AZ? I ask because Intel has laid off or retired around 40k employees in the past two years and they still need to cut a little more to please the new boss.

Ime, most of those cuts were employees working on legacy nodes and processes - especially at Beaverton.

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I always thought it was funny that for my entire lifetime people have talked about Arizona being perfect for fabs because it's dry there and not subject to tremors meanwhile Taiwan where 60% of all chips are produced (and 90% of the most sensitive ones) is tropical and has earthquakes fairly frequently.

I can only imagine what the Taiwanese can do in Arizona. Truly a synergy for the ages.

Why do you think the Chinese people from Taiwan want to do anything in Arizona? They're there just to placate the orange guy's rage. They'll never do anything special there.

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I don’t think the mix of engineers we’ve been producing is right for this. We need a whole generation of folks at a higher hardware:software ratio. Check back in a decade to see if we’ve seriously started.

Does America need to produce the talent or can they import it?

They cannot produce it (in large quantities) and it's getting harder and harder to import talent.
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