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Sysco Is Not "Ruining Restaurants"

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Re: Sysco Is Not "Ruining Restaurants"

#21

I didn't really follow the premise of the original video. Can you find identical food at various locations throughout the country? Yes. Are you required to eat this same food? No! You could likely order the things that local restaurant/pub does make in house, rather than go for the variety of items on the menu that are simply there to appease customers' fancies. Or you could go to a proper restaurant that makes the m…

What's a good way to tell which things are made in house and which are mass market?

And I think Sysco acquiring other local suppliers does suggest that more menu items might be from them than were in the last at least

Re: Sysco Is Not "Ruining Restaurants"

#22

I can't say I agree fully with the original video either but this is just blatantly trying to reframe the same facts presented in said video, but placing the blame on consumers rather than businesses, which is a really dirty tactic. > Sysco serves poor quality products. They also serve great quality products. Remember, if restaurants are buying poor quality products, it’s because it’s all you, the consumer, will pay…

>"feel bad about being poor"

Getting rid of Sysco isn't going to magically make them able to afford pricier options either.

>"feel bad about eating meat"

Feeling bad about eating meat feels bad, but if meat production is ethically and environmentally questionable why should we let the consumers off the hook? Should we let gas guzzling SUV drivers off the hook as well for their choices because it might make them feel bad? Better blame a faceless corporation instead so we can feel smug while not changing our lifestyles at all. After all, ExxonMobil could have theoretically synthesized carbon neutral gasoline, rather than pumping it out of the ground (never mind the cost), so the blame lies with them.

>"only 35%"

What's your preferred market share then?

Re: Sysco Is Not "Ruining Restaurants"

#23
post #7

Speaking for myself, I'd much prefer we take a hit on quality in exchange for diversity across the country. I hate that outside the probably 5 biggest US cities it's all so boring. Maybe I'm getting old and have rose-colored glasses but I feel like this wasn't the case 20 years ago.

> I hate that outside the probably 5 biggest US cities it's all so boring. Maybe I'm getting old and have rose-colored glasses but I feel like this wasn't the case 20 years ago.

What makes you think this is the case? Just last week I had tasty Vietnamese food on the lakeshore of a tiny rural Vermont town: https://www.yelp.com/biz/pho-farm-morgan

It was both delicious and unexpected, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't there 20 years ago. I think there's still lots of good food to be found outside those cities than you might think.

Since I brought it up, I guess I might as well ask: is pineapple common in Vietnamese noodle dishes? I had their "House Vermicelli" with grilled pork, and was pleasantly surprised by the pineapple. Is it a regional thing, or a substitute for something they didn't have available? I don't think I've had it this way before.

Re: Sysco Is Not "Ruining Restaurants"

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post #22

I can't say I agree fully with the original video either but this is just blatantly trying to reframe the same facts presented in said video, but placing the blame on consumers rather than businesses, which is a really dirty tactic. > Sysco serves poor quality products. They also serve great quality products. Remember, if restaurants are buying poor quality products, it’s because it’s all you, the consumer, will pay…

>"feel bad about being poor" Getting rid of Sysco isn't going to magically make them able to afford pricier options either. >"feel bad about eating meat" Feeling bad about eating meat feels bad, but if meat production is ethically and environmentally questionable why should we let the consumers off the hook? Should we let gas guzzling SUV drivers off the hook as well for their choices because it might make them feel…

My point was that this is just the same tactic that corporations have been using for decades. For example, rather than fix systemic issues that cause them to dump mass amounts of greenhouse gases or toxic waste, they instead reframe the issue so that the consumer is at fault: "you don't recycle enough". This is the same, it's just reframing corporations cutting costs wherever they can as the fault of the consumer rather than just plain entshittification. For the record I agree with your point about eating meat and such, it's just not relevant to the discussion at hand and used just as a cheap appeal to emotion/shame.

Re: Sysco Is Not "Ruining Restaurants"

#25
> Revealed preference shows that American eaters value price above all-else.

I've thought quite a bit about revealed preference in the context of recommendation algorithms. It's tempting to believe what people do in a given situation reveals what they actually prefer despite claims to the contrary, but psychology has long theorized it's more complicated than that. There's a complex interplay of conscious preference, subconscious impulses, information availability, and executive function.

The hard part is quickly convincing someone of the value proposition when there's an option that will ultimately be more satisfying than the quick and familiar.

Re: Sysco Is Not "Ruining Restaurants"

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"feel bad about being poor" Getting rid of Sysco isn't going to magically make them able to afford pricier options either. >"feel bad about eating meat" Feeling bad about eating meat feels bad, but if meat production is ethically and environmentally questionable why should we let the consumers off the hook? Should we let gas guzzling SUV drivers off the hook as well for their choices because it might make them feel…

My point was that this is just the same tactic that corporations have been using for decades. For example, rather than fix systemic issues that cause them to dump mass amounts of greenhouse gases or toxic waste, they instead reframe the issue so that the consumer is at fault: "you don't recycle enough". This is the same, it's just reframing corporations cutting costs wherever they can as the fault of the consumer rat…

>For example, rather than fix systemic issues that cause them to dump mass amounts of greenhouse gases or toxic waste, they instead reframe the issue so that the consumer is at fault: "you don't recycle enough".

This is a strawman. Even before "recycling is a lie" entered into the zeitgeist a few years ago, approximately nobody thought people failing to recycle led to greenhouse gas or toxic waste, or that recycling was going to prevent those things. At best they did it out of some vague sense of "environment". If pressed they'll probably say something about landfill space or sea turtles, but I doubt they thought recycling was going to stop global warming, or clean up the polluted rivers in China/India.

>This is the same, it's just reframing corporations cutting costs wherever they can as the fault of the consumer rather than just plain entshittification.

To some extent it is the fault of the consumer. Restaurants are a competitive market with low barriers to entry. If consumers actually want unique local flavors an non-frozen foods, and are willing to pay a premium for it, sysco would have never gotten a foothold. Sure, cheap frozen food is objectively bad and you'd have a tough time finding someone who'd explicitly say "yes, I do want reheated frozen food at restaurants", but if people are willingly choosing it, then it's just demonstrating expressed preference vs revealed preference. The fact that mcdonalds serves cheap low quality food (compared to even something like olive garden) can't be blamed on "plain entshittification".

Re: Sysco Is Not "Ruining Restaurants"

#28

I didn't really follow the premise of the original video. Can you find identical food at various locations throughout the country? Yes. Are you required to eat this same food? No! You could likely order the things that local restaurant/pub does make in house, rather than go for the variety of items on the menu that are simply there to appease customers' fancies. Or you could go to a proper restaurant that makes the m…

how are customers going to tell in-house dishes from sysco premade dishes just by looking at a menu?

Re: Sysco Is Not "Ruining Restaurants"

#29
post #20

The eternal question: is Enshittification imposed by companies for maximizing profits or just a consumers choice?

I think it comes from a lack of information on the consumer end or a lack of choices due to monopolization on the producer end.

Also I reject using the word "enshittification" because it comes off as childish.

Re: Sysco Is Not "Ruining Restaurants"

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point was that this is just the same tactic that corporations have been using for decades. For example, rather than fix systemic issues that cause them to dump mass amounts of greenhouse gases or toxic waste, they instead reframe the issue so that the consumer is at fault: "you don't recycle enough". This is the same, it's just reframing corporations cutting costs wherever they can as the fault of the consumer rat…

>For example, rather than fix systemic issues that cause them to dump mass amounts of greenhouse gases or toxic waste, they instead reframe the issue so that the consumer is at fault: "you don't recycle enough". This is a strawman. Even before "recycling is a lie" entered into the zeitgeist a few years ago, approximately nobody thought people failing to recycle led to greenhouse gas or toxic waste, or that recycling…

> If consumers actually want unique local flavors an non-frozen foods, and are willing to pay a premium for it, sysco would have never gotten a foothold.

This is rooted in the assumption that capitalism provides what people want, rather than the worst that they will still accept. Endlessly cutting costs and then blaming the tastes of the consumer is why people put out anti-corporation pieces like the original video. That is not to say that Sysco is not operating logically.. but if the best move in a system leads to an unfavourable outcome for those that should benefit from it, then the system itself is the problem. Or another way to phrase it: there is a reason why that video resonated with many people that goes beyond trying to blame others for your problems.

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