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Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by IshKebab »

ivape wrote: post #7
IshKebab wrote: post #4

Seems pretty elegant if you are willing to give up on the type safety of TSX. I wonder if this can be combined with it somehow. An example using Fresh would be great.

I actively look for non-TS frameworks. To me it's always been useless overhead. It really is a outcome of startup/enterprise teams that are so far away from how money goes in and out of a business that they sit around and think TS is a good usage of time. It may hurt their feelings to know plenty of people run successful teams and entire businesses without type safety. It also makes the code look like shit. To each t…

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Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by hasanhaja »

IshKebab wrote: post #4

Seems pretty elegant if you are willing to give up on the type safety of TSX. I wonder if this can be combined with it somehow. An example using Fresh would be great.

The type-safety concern would be to do with your templating tool, right? It doesn't have anything to do with Datastar

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by ivape »

IshKebab wrote: post #21
ivape wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actively look for non-TS frameworks. To me it's always been useless overhead. It really is a outcome of startup/enterprise teams that are so far away from how money goes in and out of a business that they sit around and think TS is a good usage of time. It may hurt their feelings to know plenty of people run successful teams and entire businesses without type safety. It also makes the code look like shit. To each t…

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I just think you are wrong. It mostly takes mindshare from rookie developers that are insecure and need to cover all their bases lest they be called bad at being a developer. Many grow out of this insecurity and see things for what they are. TS is OKAY, but it's not worth my time.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by macmac »

IshKebab wrote: post #4

Seems pretty elegant if you are willing to give up on the type safety of TSX. I wonder if this can be combined with it somehow. An example using Fresh would be great.

With Datastar your front end logic (if any) is minimal, and you can use any typesafe (or not) language you want for the backend. If you build webcomponents for your Datastar frontend you can use TS to your heart's content.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by bradly »

mbvisti wrote: post #14
bradly wrote: post #9

It isn't mentioned on the homepage, but Datastar does charge for the following features: data-animate - Animates element attributes over time. data-custom-validity - Adds custom validity to an element. data-on-raf - Runs an expression on every animation frame. data-on-resize - Runs an expression on element resize. data-persist - Persists signals in local storage. data-query-string - Syncs query string params with sig…

not sure i think this is a good way to fund their work BUT exploring models to make open-source sustainable for the developers does seem like a good thing, no?

I have no problem with anyone charging what they would like, but I do think it should be mentioned on the homepage. It feels intentionally left off which makes me think the developers themselves aren't 100% comfortable with the model.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by hasanhaja »

daeken wrote: post #15
gregoriol wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What more do you need than writing something like `data-on-input__debounce.200ms="@get('/examples/active_search/search')"` in the DOM as being crazy and wrong?

I mean, that seems ugly to me, but... Makes intuitive sense and is fine actually? Is HTML a rich language in which to embed stuff like this? No. Does this clearly get the point across? Yes. [Edit: this should've actually been attached to the GP comment. I agree with the parent.]

Isn't that the whole point of hypermedia frameworks like Datastar and HTMX? It's to extend the declarativeness of HTML.

If you don't like the syntax, that's your preference. But I'm curious to hear why this is "wrong". Since that's a more objective thing, we can discuss it

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by nchmy »

bradly wrote: post #9

It isn't mentioned on the homepage, but Datastar does charge for the following features: data-animate - Animates element attributes over time. data-custom-validity - Adds custom validity to an element. data-on-raf - Runs an expression on every animation frame. data-on-resize - Runs an expression on element resize. data-persist - Persists signals in local storage. data-query-string - Syncs query string params with sig…

What a weird comment. Why bring this up unless you're just trying to make them look bad in a dishonest way? It is clearly documented on the site in multiple places.

Moreover, they actively dissuade people from even buying the pro license because they are quite emphatic that most people/sites do not need any of these features. If you do need them, then it's a small price to pay for the functionality, as well as to make a modest amount to cover costs for their non-profit org. God forbid someone optionally charge something for years of effort that they have given away for free...

It also comes with an immensely useful "Inspector" that shows all the signals, sse events etc, and will soon come with an immensely streamlined web component framework (Rocket) and css framework (Stellar).

I bought the pro license mostly just to support them, but the inspector is great and I look forward to checking out rocket and stellar.

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