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Bernie from 2016 was promoting the sort of immigration reform that today would get him called a Nazi.
Framework supporting far-right racists?
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Anecdata - But I feel confident in it. If you join the Omarchy discord, people regularly cite buying either a Framework or a Beelink, with a lean towards the former, to put Omarchy on. I tend to presume that the creator/consumer rule applies, and that for every one person that says it out loud, there are 9 others who are doing the same thing silently.
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I'm not making stuff up?
I'm making a claim that's only supported by my personal experience, the evidence I've seen (of people buying it), and the observation that Framework is pushing it for the very same reason.
I'm also being transparent about that.
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I'm not making stuff up? I'm making a claim that's only supported by my personal experience, the evidence I've seen (of people buying it), and the observation that Framework is pushing it for the very same reason. I'm also being transparent about that.
Come on dude. In your initial comment you provided it as literal fact. Only after your unsupported claim got called out you admitted to making it up and branded it as anecdotal.
Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?
#24When you run a business, you can’t realistically perform background checks on every partner or contributor. Many people will have said or believed evil things. If a company starts politically vetting everyone it interacts with, it risks alienating large parts of society and undermining its mission. The best thing you can do is have dialogue with those people; not cancel them.
It also seems like some of the criticism here reflects a very local Canadian political outlook being applied globally. That rarely works because the world’s values and politics differ widely, and enforcing one region’s standards everywhere just drives division and more polarization.
For instance, even within Canada, provinces have very different approaches to religion and immigration, and not all of them align neatly with international norms. These are complex issues, not simple moral tests. Quebec has restrictions on religious symbols in the public sector targetting muslims, prayer in public targeting muslims, and limits on legal immigration(you guessed it, targetting muslims). So it’s hard to take moral absolutism seriously when local politics themselves are complicated.
DHH's public views do overlap with Reform UK’s platform, which (if you believe polls) has substantial voter support right now. Whether one agrees or not, that makes them part of mainstream democratic debate, not fringe extremism. With the recent exodus of MPs from Conservatives to Reform, I would be shocked if they dont win.
I think Framework’s response handled this great. Focusing on open collaboration rather than ideological purity tests.
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#25The answer is no. Framework is not putting money into far right causes. They are paying for open source software.
The politics of some of the contributors is questionable. But it's not illegal to have bad opinions and exercise free speech. And it's certainly not Frameworks job to morally vet every person they interact with.
I do not need to know about the political opinions of the people who grow my food, or change my tires, or build my tools. And I am getting growing tired of intersectional witch hunts, especially when we're getting to so many layers of abstraction.
Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?
#26When you run a business, you can’t realistically perform background checks on every partner or contributor. Many people will have said or believed evil things. If a company starts politically vetting everyone it interacts with, it risks alienating large parts of society and undermining its mission. The best thing you can do is have dialogue with those people; not cancel them. It also seems like some of the criticism…
I'm in agreement. This is a good response. Too bad it's getting voted down.
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#28They're free to support Nazis, I'm free to not buy their product. Just make sure your favorite employer's IT department is aware of this before they make a purchase order.
Which ethical laptop would you recommend?
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This kind of attitude comes hand-to-hand with performative virtue signalling. Minimizing the extent of political involvement makes any hobby or interest infinitely more enjoyable and less toxic, and I find it regrettable that people are less able to engage in communities centered around technology without flaunting their political tribal allegiances.
I agree that if people were able to keep their hate out of these spaces they would be much more pleasant for people to engage in.
That's not what either parent said, which you're well aware of. What you call "hate" others call "opinions" or is just completely unrelated to the topic at hand. Not everyone needs to care about what you care about in the same way. We're allowed to have differences and we're allowed to not care about those differences in some contexts in life.
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#30They're free to support Nazis, I'm free to not buy their product. Just make sure your favorite employer's IT department is aware of this before they make a purchase order.
You're also free to mischaracterize people and organizations based on your own perspectives and then act on those mischaracterizations, just like others are free to mischaracterize you and act on those mischaracterizations. That's the beauty of living in a free society; no one has to agree with you.