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Re: Portland is not burning. Here's live context and sourced fact checks

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Oh, are the homeless the reason the National Guard was called in? I thought it was for the protests. /s Yes, Portland has a homeless issue. It has had one since I moved here in 2013 (and probably before then). Covid made it worse but the issue is slowly getting better. But again, homelessness isn't what the President and Kristi Noem are talking about.

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Interesting argumentation style. Which other cities should be occupied by federalized troops?

Re: Portland is not burning. Here's live context and sourced fact checks

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Wildfires don't usually happen downtown...which is what this website seems to be tracking. At least from this 2023 article the number of fires related to the homeless camps is pretty consistent and only the % drops during the summer months. https:

I wouldn’t call them wildfires when they’re downtown either. Wildfire season just means it’s hot and dry so fires start easier everywhere

Yep, everything is dry, including the 5,200 park that sits less than a mile from downtown (Forest Park).

Re: Portland is not burning. Here's live context and sourced fact checks

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I don't see how this convinces anyone on the other side that has other evidence that is not being displayed here. Lying through omission used to work before the internet but in the age of social media, a few hand curated fact checks isn't going to shift the needle and probably just makes people more dug in on their positions.

My parents live in a small town in Texas and are in the MAGA camp. They came to Portland a couple of years ago to visit and said "oh, it's not like what was on TV"... Yes, that's what I was trying to tell you.

Now they are saying I should move based on what they see on Fox News. I'm dumbfounded; Don't you remember what it was like when you were here? It hasn't changed.

Part of it is a small town mentality, the big city is just dangerous. The rest of it is just being spoon fed clips of the same protest footage over and over and over again.

Re: Portland is not burning. Here's live context and sourced fact checks

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I don't see how this convinces anyone on the other side that has other evidence that is not being displayed here. Lying through omission used to work before the internet but in the age of social media, a few hand curated fact checks isn't going to shift the needle and probably just makes people more dug in on their positions.

What do you suggest?

Re: Portland is not burning. Here's live context and sourced fact checks

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The "live" view from the Standard Building is blocked. What are THEY trying to hide?!!!

I noticed that too. The cynical part of me observed it's a Sinclair-owned news station, and I can't help wondering if they made it unavailable because it doesn't support the position of their corporate owner.

Re: Portland is not burning. Here's live context and sourced fact checks

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I don't see how this convinces anyone on the other side that has other evidence that is not being displayed here. Lying through omission used to work before the internet but in the age of social media, a few hand curated fact checks isn't going to shift the needle and probably just makes people more dug in on their positions.

I had an argument with someone earlier who commented on a post I'd made and was all in on the MAGA position. They accused me of ignorance and I invited them to post some video of supposedly 'war-ravaged' Portland (a phrase used by the WH press secretary recently). First they told me to go and look on the timelines of their favorite right wing influencers, and when I declined to go on a wild goose chase they followed up with a mix of invective and random factoids, like the Portland fire department responding to 9 fires in the last 24 hours. (Since I live near a fire station in a similarly sized city the idea of a few minor fires every day impresses me not at all.)

It's tedious and unrewarding, but calling people's bluff is somewhat effective.

Re: Portland is not burning. Here's live context and sourced fact checks

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post #14

The "live" view from the Standard Building is blocked. What are THEY trying to hide?!!!

I noticed that too. The cynical part of me observed it's a Sinclair-owned news station, and I can't help wondering if they made it unavailable because it doesn't support the position of their corporate owner.

This is extremely dangerous to our democracy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZggCipbiHwE
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