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Re: Buy European: EU Commissions New Apply AI Strategy Launched

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Post by ashwoods »

naldb wrote: post #5
schnitzelstoat wrote: post #2

Another strategy, another initiative, another commission. > All of this AI acceleration will be monitored by an “AI Observatory” and discussed in an “Apply AI Alliance” – a refashioning of the existing AI Alliance, a stakeholder talking shop. It reminds me of how here in Spain the Government already created the Agencia Española de Supervisión de la Inteligencia Artificial (Spanish AI Supervision Agency) when we barel…

In Spain there are half a million more people living off the government than those working in the private sector: https://theobjective.com/economia/macroeconomia/2024-09-16/a...

I think this comment is, while factual, slightly misleading. Only around 16% of people "living off the government" are public servants, from which over 50% are for essential services like education health or public safety.

Over 50% of those "living off the government" are pensioners, so mostly coming from a pool of people who already worked (and most of them in the private sector), and paid their share in taxes. In spain, the private sector makes 70% of the active workforce, while the public sector around 13%, self employed 13%, and unemployed 10%.

I know Spain (and Europe) have quite a lot of structural problems, but I fail to see how having so many pensioners has anything to do with AI regulations.

Re: Buy European: EU Commissions New Apply AI Strategy Launched

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Post by sofixa »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #7

Everything in EU is overpriced and worse than things coming from outside the EU, and that is by design. EU basically has no choice but to become more dystopian and adopt policies similar to the USSR to keep itself viable. This includes extreme trade barriers (with exceptions for China, because of course) and extreme restrictions on speech. Europe is like some rich kid who thinks he somehow has merit of his own, inste…

> Everything in EU is overpriced and worse than things coming from outside the EU, and that is by design

If nothing else, Airbus says hello and laughs in your face. Throw in Spotify and IKEA, the majority of the world's luxury sector, a decent portion of the world's biggest car manufacturers, ASML, and you're just being silly.

Re: Buy European: EU Commissions New Apply AI Strategy Launched

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Post by CalRobert »

devjab wrote: post #8

Regardless of how you view the current political climate in USA, it's simply become a major risk-management factor for almost any European organisation. We're heavily invested into Azure, but we've had to work out plans on how we could potentially exit within 30 days because we're part of the European energy sector. (We're really part of the global energy sector, but we're based in the EU.) We still view US tech comp…

How do people who don't have a smartphone (they still exist!) manage without digital ID? Is there no analog fallback?

Re: Buy European: EU Commissions New Apply AI Strategy Launched

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Post by CalRobert »

Ever since GDPR it has been baffling that European companies just reach for the American hyperscalers without a care in the world. Sure, _some_ companies need it, but you can get a long ways with OVH or Hetzner.

I suspect many of them are just ignoring their obligations with respect to data transfers (they also fail to understand the meaning of "Freely Given Consent" or "Legitimate Interest"), and utterly pathetic and useless institutions like the Irish Data Protection Commission (https://www.dataprotection.ie/en) just... let them.

Re: Buy European: EU Commissions New Apply AI Strategy Launched

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Post by stefanfisk »

devjab wrote: post #8

Regardless of how you view the current political climate in USA, it's simply become a major risk-management factor for almost any European organisation. We're heavily invested into Azure, but we've had to work out plans on how we could potentially exit within 30 days because we're part of the European energy sector. (We're really part of the global energy sector, but we're based in the EU.) We still view US tech comp…

Out of curiosity - do you also plan for the possibility that your will want to move to another provider at the same time as the rest of your industry if not large parts of the EU as a whole?

Whenever I think about these things I just don’t see us Europeans being able to tackle suddenly having to decouple from the US if Trump or a successor suddenly turns the screws to 11.

Re: Buy European: EU Commissions New Apply AI Strategy Launched

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Post by Xelbair »

shevy-java wrote: post #12

My problem with the EU overall, aside from being inefficient, is that they don't really push towards intrinsic perfection. They kind of look what others do, try to simulate and copy it, usually fail - and then the same pattern is repeated. Just take the issue of a european chip industry. Or literally anything China is doing now. The EU just isn't really a driver - it is a maintainer at best. And that also means it wi…

Honestly the bigger problem - even with the current topic - is that everything is top down.

They don't make a framework for XYZ to emerge based on market forces. It's always committee driven 'we will support this initiative so XYZ happens' top-down initiatives.

Those are necessary in some sectors, but it is applied everywhere. With multinational participation in committee and a lot of back and forth dance.

It's better than blind trendchasing or completely unregulated market forces doing their job, but the delay overhead is gigantic.

Re: Buy European: EU Commissions New Apply AI Strategy Launched

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Post by flanked-evergl »

sofixa wrote: post #22
flanked-evergl wrote: post #7

Everything in EU is overpriced and worse than things coming from outside the EU, and that is by design. EU basically has no choice but to become more dystopian and adopt policies similar to the USSR to keep itself viable. This includes extreme trade barriers (with exceptions for China, because of course) and extreme restrictions on speech. Europe is like some rich kid who thinks he somehow has merit of his own, inste…

> Everything in EU is overpriced and worse than things coming from outside the EU, and that is by design If nothing else, Airbus says hello and laughs in your face. Throw in Spotify and IKEA, the majority of the world's luxury sector, a decent portion of the world's biggest car manufacturers, ASML, and you're just being silly.

As someone who lives in Europe and buys things in Europe every single day, I know that practically everything except groceries comes from China. But sure, whenever I buy a plate from IKEA it comes from Turkey and not China.

But I guess if I were a rich person who mostly bought luxury goods, they would come from France. I guess I'm the problem. If only my tax money stayed with me instead of being funnelled to useless aristocrats, then maybe I could afford more luxury goods from France.

Re: Buy European: EU Commissions New Apply AI Strategy Launched

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Post by pavlov »

shevy-java wrote: post #12

My problem with the EU overall, aside from being inefficient, is that they don't really push towards intrinsic perfection. They kind of look what others do, try to simulate and copy it, usually fail - and then the same pattern is repeated. Just take the issue of a european chip industry. Or literally anything China is doing now. The EU just isn't really a driver - it is a maintainer at best. And that also means it wi…

Ironic comment in light of Netherlands-based ASML being the only company in the world that can supply the lithography machines that TSMC uses to make chips for NVidia and others.

Isn't that an example of driving towards intrinsic perfection?

Re: Buy European: EU Commissions New Apply AI Strategy Launched

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Post by intended »

shevy-java wrote: post #12

My problem with the EU overall, aside from being inefficient, is that they don't really push towards intrinsic perfection. They kind of look what others do, try to simulate and copy it, usually fail - and then the same pattern is repeated. Just take the issue of a european chip industry. Or literally anything China is doing now. The EU just isn't really a driver - it is a maintainer at best. And that also means it wi…

Didn’t Tesla outright buy one of the only companies in the world which made a specific type of robotics/automation back in 2016/17?
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