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Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration

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Re: Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration

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Post by 12345hn6789 »

gdulli wrote: post #20
jerojero wrote: post #9

I've been thinking of trying out the iphone for a while now. The reason I wasn't switching is that I install a lot of open source apps on my android device, for all kinds of things. This change seems like it might greatly affect the current developer landscape. I've been looking for alternatives on the iphone to the apps I use and in most cases they do exist. I imagine the same will happen with android. Lots of devs…

You'd be rewarding Apple for having originated and normalized this loss of rights. And whichever ones they go after next.

No. We are rewarding Apple for having well designed hardware and software integration. Something Android (Google) has failed at, but the community has carried in Googles place. Now that Google is turning their backs and slamming the door in the communities face, Android has no real competitive edge over an Apple device.

Re: Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration

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Post by bitpush »

gdulli wrote: post #19
bitpush wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didnt Apple get away with lot of App Store scrutiny with their current model. Why else wouldnt other app stores follow the practice?

A desire to treat their customers like adults. Or to feign that desire temporarily to win the market share of those for whom that's important.

To sell food to others, you need to get a "restaurant license". I dont think anyone would argue that people should be able to buy food from whoever. And I dont think that's what "treating people like adults mean".

I use food as an example to illustrate the point. I'm aware that food != app, but the point is when you offer goods/services in a modern society at scale, it is reasonable to verify yourself.

Re: Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration

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Post by gdulli »

12345hn6789 wrote: post #21
gdulli wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd be rewarding Apple for having originated and normalized this loss of rights. And whichever ones they go after next.

No. We are rewarding Apple for having well designed hardware and software integration. Something Android (Google) has failed at, but the community has carried in Googles place. Now that Google is turning their backs and slamming the door in the communities face, Android has no real competitive edge over an Apple device.

Those things don't meaningfully differentiate the flagship Apple versus Android phones once you strip away Apple's decayingly deserved darling status. I have zero problems with Android. (This new change aside.) Though it's fair for anyone to have a strong subjective preference for either one.

What differentiates them to me is that Android is still marginally freer, but it's only grudgingly at this point that I choose either.

Re: Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration

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Post by gdulli »

bitpush wrote: post #22
gdulli wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A desire to treat their customers like adults. Or to feign that desire temporarily to win the market share of those for whom that's important.

To sell food to others, you need to get a "restaurant license". I dont think anyone would argue that people should be able to buy food from whoever. And I dont think that's what "treating people like adults mean". I use food as an example to illustrate the point. I'm aware that food != app, but the point is when you offer goods/services in a modern society at scale, it is reasonable to verify yourself.

It's easy for me to judge what software is safe to use and mitigate what risk might exist. It's impossible for me to judge what food is safe to eat and being wrong could kill me.

Come on. There's a reason government regulates food and not apps. Government is at least accountable to us, and at the time food safety regulation norms were established, was trustworthy to act in our interest. Google and Apple never were.

Re: Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration

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Post by bitpush »

gdulli wrote: post #25
bitpush wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To sell food to others, you need to get a "restaurant license". I dont think anyone would argue that people should be able to buy food from whoever. And I dont think that's what "treating people like adults mean". I use food as an example to illustrate the point. I'm aware that food != app, but the point is when you offer goods/services in a modern society at scale, it is reasonable to verify yourself.

It's easy for me to judge what software is safe to use and mitigate what risk might exist. It's impossible for me to judge what food is safe to eat and being wrong could kill me. Come on. There's a reason government regulates food and not apps. Government is at least accountable to us, and at the time food safety regulation norms were established, was trustworthy to act in our interest. Google and Apple never were.

> It's easy for me to judge what software is safe to use

How do you do that? Do you read the source code of the app you're sideloading?

Re: Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration

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Post by gdulli »

bitpush wrote: post #26
gdulli wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy for me to judge what software is safe to use and mitigate what risk might exist. It's impossible for me to judge what food is safe to eat and being wrong could kill me. Come on. There's a reason government regulates food and not apps. Government is at least accountable to us, and at the time food safety regulation norms were established, was trustworthy to act in our interest. Google and Apple never were.

> It's easy for me to judge what software is safe to use How do you do that? Do you read the source code of the app you're sideloading?

Don't be obtuse. I can tell the difference between yt-dlp with 130,000 stars on github and some AI/crypto shovelware or a Spotify unlocker downloaded from a .ru site.

And the point isn't that it's impossible for me to get it wrong, it's that it should be my choice and my business and I'll accept the responsibility if it's less easy than I thought. The Apple types can have an easy mode where Apple decides what's safe. We can have it both ways.

Re: Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration

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Post by arcfour »

bitpush wrote: post #22
gdulli wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A desire to treat their customers like adults. Or to feign that desire temporarily to win the market share of those for whom that's important.

To sell food to others, you need to get a "restaurant license". I dont think anyone would argue that people should be able to buy food from whoever. And I dont think that's what "treating people like adults mean". I use food as an example to illustrate the point. I'm aware that food != app, but the point is when you offer goods/services in a modern society at scale, it is reasonable to verify yourself.

I think people should be able to buy food from whomever. I don't see why not. You can't go over to your friend's house and toss them some cash for a steak or wings or whatever? What, they aren't a professional chef with a license granted to them by a bureaucrat, you could get sick and die!

Re: Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration

#29

Post by Jotalea »

jerojero wrote: post #9

I've been thinking of trying out the iphone for a while now. The reason I wasn't switching is that I install a lot of open source apps on my android device, for all kinds of things. This change seems like it might greatly affect the current developer landscape. I've been looking for alternatives on the iphone to the apps I use and in most cases they do exist. I imagine the same will happen with android. Lots of devs…

similar situation, except the apps I use simply don't have alternatives on iOS. I guess I'll have to find a workaround.

Re: Google Confirms Non-ADB APK Installs Will Require Developer Registration

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Post by jerojero »

gdulli wrote: post #20
jerojero wrote: post #9

I've been thinking of trying out the iphone for a while now. The reason I wasn't switching is that I install a lot of open source apps on my android device, for all kinds of things. This change seems like it might greatly affect the current developer landscape. I've been looking for alternatives on the iphone to the apps I use and in most cases they do exist. I imagine the same will happen with android. Lots of devs…

You'd be rewarding Apple for having originated and normalized this loss of rights. And whichever ones they go after next.

Yes.

But I need a phone, and I'd rather try the original at this point.

I expect the European Union to keep working towards keeping devices more open with time.

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