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Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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I do and I like them, but Cloudflare blocks their ips aggressively.

Reddit too, I wished they offered residential or dedicated and/or unlisted ips. But most of the time you just have to cycle through different ips to unblock.

At this point in the cat/mouse game, wouldn't any set of IPs used by a VPN eventually be able to be sussed out by anyone interested?

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Is there any other real world usecases for VPN nowadays other than: 1. Getting access to geolocked data 2. Torrenting "Linux ISOs" ?

Those two are pretty big already to be honest. I guess a third one would be avoiding eavesdropping on public wi-fis.

With TLS being everywhere, and just few clicks away from having DNS over TLS, I really don't get eavesdropping on public wifi prop value.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Is there any other real world usecases for VPN nowadays other than: 1. Getting access to geolocked data 2. Torrenting "Linux ISOs" ?

3. Avoiding government-mandated record keeping by ISPs in a country like the UK, where all ISPs have to keep a year of your browsing history and it can be accessed warrant free by 17 different agencies(including DEFRA, the agriculture agency).

And yes, I'm aware that you're most likely trading one surveilence for another - but honestly at this point I'd much rather trust my paid VPN provider with my browsing data than my ISP and ultimately the government.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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OOC what's your current favored provider? AirVPN? Proton?

I tried Airvpn but the MacOS client is beyond trash. And the website just gives 2005 amateur PHP coder vibes. Not just the design. The session expiry is seems very long - I hadn't visited for a few days and I'm still logged in. I'd be surprised if it wasn't infinite.

On Mac you can just use OpenVPN/Wireguard and import one of the profiles you can generate through their website.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Been saying it for YEARS: 95% of VPNs sell your data. It's where they make their money. It's absolutely insane the push-back I get when I say this online. I get downvoted to hell and back. Source: I bought this data from VPN companies... Hell, you can inject ads and surveys if you want!

> Hell, you can inject ads and surveys if you want!

So am I right in saying that the data that's encrypted by VPNS is only in transit? It then sits on a server in plain text, ready to be queried by third parties for money.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Is there any other real world usecases for VPN nowadays other than: 1. Getting access to geolocked data 2. Torrenting "Linux ISOs" ?

3. Avoiding government-mandated record keeping by ISPs in a country like the UK, where all ISPs have to keep a year of your browsing history and it can be accessed warrant free by 17 different agencies(including DEFRA, the agriculture agency). And yes, I'm aware that you're most likely trading one surveilence for another - but honestly at this point I'd much rather trust my paid VPN provider with my browsing data tha…

Given that most of the web has TLS and you can easily do DNS over TLS - that's very very high level metadata, where I personally just don't see much ROI vs to giving that metadata to random company with no regulations whatsoever.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those two are pretty big already to be honest. I guess a third one would be avoiding eavesdropping on public wi-fis.

With TLS being everywhere, and just few clicks away from having DNS over TLS, I really don't get eavesdropping on public wifi prop value.

TLS doesn't hide which websites (hostnames) you visit

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit too, I wished they offered residential or dedicated and/or unlisted ips. But most of the time you just have to cycle through different ips to unblock.

At this point in the cat/mouse game, wouldn't any set of IPs used by a VPN eventually be able to be sussed out by anyone interested?

Some vpn services offer dedicated residential IP addresses, meaning you get an IP from just a regular private ISP in some other country. It's admittedly a bit shady though, and more expensive ofc but that will unblock everything

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Just pay for and use Mullvad.

I did until they killed port forwarding.

Yep.

And I was on Proton for 3y, until the CEO were backing Trump and Vance on Reddit and other places. Their port forwarding was also painful as well, but it worked.

Cancelled. PIA does the port forwarding nicely and stabily. No jank scripts to run every 60 seconds.

Now evidently PIA is a bunch of scum capitalists. But in reality, who isn't?

Mullvad? But they killed port forwarding for "abuse".

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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I tried Airvpn but the MacOS client is beyond trash. And the website just gives 2005 amateur PHP coder vibes. Not just the design. The session expiry is seems very long - I hadn't visited for a few days and I'm still logged in. I'd be surprised if it wasn't infinite.

On Mac you can just use OpenVPN/Wireguard and import one of the profiles you can generate through their website.

Not for feature parity.

And I find there's a good correlation between the quality of the apps and the overall quality of the company. No surprise that the Mullvad VPN app is excellent

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