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Re: Gov workers say their shutdown out-of-office replies were forcibly changed

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Post by mcmcmc »

Alupis wrote: post #5
ck2 wrote: post #2

DOGE f-kery it's pretty obvious they can now search and replace across most if not all government websites now let's hope that backdoor is locked down and not available for foreign entities and this is of course a massive Hatch-Act violation but we're way past law breaking this far into the regime

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Saying Dems are blocking it when the GOP refuses to show up for their jobs and negotiate is a pretty big reach. And calling it “clean” when it doesn’t even balance the budget is just bullshit

Re: Gov workers say their shutdown out-of-office replies were forcibly changed

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Post by rolph »

passive wrote: post #4

This weaponization of public resources for partisan purposes is hardly surprising, but given the government is shut down, I would imagine black or even grey hats might feel like it's open season on .gov, so I would be surprised to see much durability in their attempts.

the hatz are already there, they have been for a long time.

Re: Gov workers say their shutdown out-of-office replies were forcibly changed

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Post by razster »

passive wrote: post #4

This weaponization of public resources for partisan purposes is hardly surprising, but given the government is shut down, I would imagine black or even grey hats might feel like it's open season on .gov, so I would be surprised to see much durability in their attempts.

This post from Reddit’s Redding, California community is definitely weaponized. https://old.reddit.com/r/Redding/comments/1nvgu8b/guess_i_wo...

Re: Gov workers say their shutdown out-of-office replies were forcibly changed

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Post by JustExAWS »

briandear wrote: post #10
Simulacra wrote: post #3

That's ridiculous, and could be illegal, because in changing the response, they are taking on the speech of the named employee. If that's not a first amendment violation, I don't know what is. Federal employees are not allowed to be involved in politics while they are employed by the federal government, I know there's exceptions and everything, but at its core this action is repugnant.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” Did congress pass a law I missed? Government communication isn’t a 1st Amendment issue. When you work for any employer, you are subject to the wh…

The laws are different when you work for the government. A private employee can fire you for something you said a lot easier than the government.

https://www.welcometothejungle.com/en/articles/free-speech-a...

Re: Gov workers say their shutdown out-of-office replies were forcibly changed

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Post by rolph »

philipallstar wrote: post #6
Simulacra wrote: post #3

That's ridiculous, and could be illegal, because in changing the response, they are taking on the speech of the named employee. If that's not a first amendment violation, I don't know what is. Federal employees are not allowed to be involved in politics while they are employed by the federal government, I know there's exceptions and everything, but at its core this action is repugnant.

> in changing the response, they are taking on the speech of the named employee Would you say that a company adding a standard footer to your outgoing emails is taking on your speech?

this is not about attaching a standard footer.

Re: Gov workers say their shutdown out-of-office replies were forcibly changed

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Post by mcmcmc »

plantwallshoe wrote: post #20
Alupis wrote: post #8

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It’s not factual that democratic senators are blocking the bill. Republicans have a majority in both houses and can pass the bill at any time.

Budget resolutions require 60 votes to pass, so they really can’t. But they know that and their refusal to negotiate is blocking it. Dems are doing what’s best for their constituents by not voting for a budget that would skyrocket healthcare costs for millions of Americans. Meanwhile the GOP is spreading misinformation that Dems want to fund healthcare for illegal immigrants, who have NEVER been eligible for it.

Re: Gov workers say their shutdown out-of-office replies were forcibly changed

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Post by rolph »

briandear wrote: post #10
Simulacra wrote: post #3

That's ridiculous, and could be illegal, because in changing the response, they are taking on the speech of the named employee. If that's not a first amendment violation, I don't know what is. Federal employees are not allowed to be involved in politics while they are employed by the federal government, I know there's exceptions and everything, but at its core this action is repugnant.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” Did congress pass a law I missed? Government communication isn’t a 1st Amendment issue. When you work for any employer, you are subject to the wh…

actually, governments are severly limited in compelling or interfering with political speech

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatch_Act

Re: Gov workers say their shutdown out-of-office replies were forcibly changed

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Post by doodaddy »

Alupis wrote: post #8

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You realize that a sentence can be both factual and misleading, right?

“Unfortunately, Senators have not agreed on the terms to pass HR 5371 leading to a lapse in appropriations.”

Wouldn’t something like this still be factual, informative, and-importantly-NOT misleading?

Re: Gov workers say their shutdown out-of-office replies were forcibly changed

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Post by bragr »

JustExAWS wrote: post #25
briandear wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” Did congress pass a law I missed? Government communication isn’t a 1st Amendment issue. When you work for any employer, you are subject to the wh…

The laws are different when you work for the government. A private employee can fire you for something you said a lot easier than the government. https://www.welcometothejungle.com/en/articles/free-speech-a...

>The laws are different when you work for the government.

Which laws? Because every government job I've come across has pretty strict rules on what you can and cannot say in public, or at least they way in which you have to frame it apart from your job.

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