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JetBrains will start training AI on your code on non-commercial license

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Re: JetBrains will start training AI on your code on non-commercial license

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Post by lifestyleguru »

gbear605 wrote: post #17
estimator7292 wrote: post #15

JetBrains is going to run themselves out of business. It's like they forgot that all their money comes from the people who have been paying them for years for software that is vital to their work and livelihood. It seems they're intentionally dumping all their old customers to focus the full might of their organization.... chasing fads. They spent millions of dollars reworking their IDEs to look like a cheap VSCode k…

For what it’s worth, I’ve been using IntelliJ for about a decade now, and I thought the UI change was great. Obviously not for everyone, but I’m more productive now thanks to it. I don’t like their recent AI features, in large part because my company only allows OpenAI, but everything else that they’re doing is great.

For at least a decade now every UI redesign has been useless chasing own's tail. Only rearranging items and adding white spaces. Android, JetBrains, MacOS, iOS, Windows. Sometimes I use a relict software or device with UI from 10-15 years ago and it was perfectly fine. Modern UIs introduce no advantage, even icons are not getting prettier anymore.

Re: JetBrains will start training AI on your code on non-commercial license

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Post by ilya_petrov »

sschueller wrote: post #19

So it's opt-in for your paying customers, the ones that would cause the biggest damage if you piss them off because you know exactly that this is not something people want.

No, it's not. This change doesn't affect any of paying customers. Non-commercial is a special type of license provided for free for non-commercial projects (education, hobby programming, etc.), for a limited set of JetBrains products.

Re: JetBrains will start training AI on your code on non-commercial license

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Post by ilya_petrov »

JetBrains here. For clarity, non-commercial doesn't just simply mean individuals. It's a special type of free license for non-commercial use: education, hobbies, etc.

We are communicating this change via a blog post, emails to users, and in-product. With the 25.2.4 update (in two weeks, October 14), non-commercial users will receive a notification about this change and will be able to review new agreement and take action before any data collection happens. For the rest of the users, nothing is really changing unless they are willing to contribute.

Re: JetBrains will start training AI on your code on non-commercial license

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Post by Numerlor »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #21
gbear605 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it’s worth, I’ve been using IntelliJ for about a decade now, and I thought the UI change was great. Obviously not for everyone, but I’m more productive now thanks to it. I don’t like their recent AI features, in large part because my company only allows OpenAI, but everything else that they’re doing is great.

For at least a decade now every UI redesign has been useless chasing own's tail. Only rearranging items and adding white spaces. Android, JetBrains, MacOS, iOS, Windows. Sometimes I use a relict software or device with UI from 10-15 years ago and it was perfectly fine. Modern UIs introduce no advantage, even icons are not getting prettier anymore.

The jetbrains UI redesign actually allowed me to reclaim screen space. I immediately jumped on the beta and stayed with it in every editor.

Though there are other issues with their ides like slow fixing of reported bugs, and improper support for new feature which is most likely because of the bespoke implementation of everything

Re: JetBrains will start training AI on your code on non-commercial license

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Post by 369548684892826 »

ilya_petrov wrote: post #22
sschueller wrote: post #19

So it's opt-in for your paying customers, the ones that would cause the biggest damage if you piss them off because you know exactly that this is not something people want.

No, it's not. This change doesn't affect any of paying customers. Non-commercial is a special type of license provided for free for non-commercial projects (education, hobby programming, etc.), for a limited set of JetBrains products.

That's what he said, you aren't applying this change to your paying customers because you know what a shitty decision it is and only free users will put up with it.

Re: JetBrains will start training AI on your code on non-commercial license

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Post by Orygin »

Does the system respect the project's license?

If not, then JetBrains may be liable immediately when anyone opens project they don't have rights to, or which uses a license incompatible with the model training JetBrains wants to do.

They can't expect every bit of code opened in their editor to be "free" for them to train on, even if they probably say so in their EULA, as they can't be sure the person opening the code has the rights to transfer/distribute it to Jetbrains for them to train on.

Re: JetBrains will start training AI on your code on non-commercial license

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Post by Orygin »

Numerlor wrote: post #24
lifestyleguru wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For at least a decade now every UI redesign has been useless chasing own's tail. Only rearranging items and adding white spaces. Android, JetBrains, MacOS, iOS, Windows. Sometimes I use a relict software or device with UI from 10-15 years ago and it was perfectly fine. Modern UIs introduce no advantage, even icons are not getting prettier anymore.

The jetbrains UI redesign actually allowed me to reclaim screen space. I immediately jumped on the beta and stayed with it in every editor. Though there are other issues with their ides like slow fixing of reported bugs, and improper support for new feature which is most likely because of the bespoke implementation of everything

I have to agree. UI updates generally go wrong because users are conservative and loathe any changes to their workflow, even if it improves it. I won't judge anybody who disliked the update, but to die on this hill is a bit silly (imo).

It took me some time (like a few days) to get used to the UI but it is a general improvement

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