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The graduate 'jobpocalypse': Where have all the entry-level jobs gone? [video]

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Re: The graduate 'jobpocalypse': Where have all the entry-level jobs gone? [video]

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Post by spwa4 »

netdevphoenix wrote: post #13
spwa4 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I finished the first year of Uni in June 2000, and my parents had informed me they would not support me the second year. So it was critical to find a job at that time. Found one. Didn't pay well, but covering a room + uni entry fees was pretty easy. More money than I'd ever seen except ... Then, due to working full-time, it took me 7 years to finish my Uni degree and I managed to screw up my entry form in the final y…

What's your field? That's a long time climbing the academic ladder. Is this Computer Vision or some other Machine Learning field?

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Re: The graduate 'jobpocalypse': Where have all the entry-level jobs gone? [video]

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Post by nerdsniper »

iamflimflam1 wrote: post #16
nerdsniper wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was the ‘specific race’ that was popular to hire in the ‘90s?

Back then being white and nerdy was a super power. Probably a lot tougher for non white and non male.

Contextually that couldn't have been what OP was saying, because they linked it to "virtue-signallers".

Re: The graduate 'jobpocalypse': Where have all the entry-level jobs gone? [video]

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Post by y0eswddl »

squishington wrote: post #17
roxolotl wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have this data[0]. It’s not that bad out there right now compared to 2008-2013 but it is way worse than a few years ago. Everything is relative when it come to how people feel. 0: https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:...

My feeling is there are often factors which are not captured in job market statistics, which is why it's important to listen to the experience of grads seeking jobs. When I graduated in 2018, it took me a whole year to land a job (graduated with first class honours in electronics engineering in Australia, with 7 months overseas experience working for a chip design company in germany and a research scholarship at univ…

> My feeling is there are often factors which are not captured in job market statistics

they absolutely manipulate the numbers and choose a formula that doesn't accurately represent most people's feelings about the market. I always trust a lot of anecdata over the "official" numbers - word of mouth almost always indicates a problem before the official numbers do.

Re: The graduate 'jobpocalypse': Where have all the entry-level jobs gone? [video]

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Post by squishington »

y0eswddl wrote: post #24
squishington wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My feeling is there are often factors which are not captured in job market statistics, which is why it's important to listen to the experience of grads seeking jobs. When I graduated in 2018, it took me a whole year to land a job (graduated with first class honours in electronics engineering in Australia, with 7 months overseas experience working for a chip design company in germany and a research scholarship at univ…

> My feeling is there are often factors which are not captured in job market statistics they absolutely manipulate the numbers and choose a formula that doesn't accurately represent most people's feelings about the market. I always trust a lot of anecdata over the "official" numbers - word of mouth almost always indicates a problem before the official numbers do.

Thanks for your input. I have a similar feeling about general economic matters. I like Gary Stevenson's perspective on this. When the numbers say the economy is doing well, but you talk to "ordinary people" and they say they feel their living standard is declining, which source do you believe? All inputs should be considered to try to get an accurate picture.

Re: The graduate 'jobpocalypse': Where have all the entry-level jobs gone? [video]

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Post by gruez »

y0eswddl wrote: post #24
squishington wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My feeling is there are often factors which are not captured in job market statistics, which is why it's important to listen to the experience of grads seeking jobs. When I graduated in 2018, it took me a whole year to land a job (graduated with first class honours in electronics engineering in Australia, with 7 months overseas experience working for a chip design company in germany and a research scholarship at univ…

> My feeling is there are often factors which are not captured in job market statistics they absolutely manipulate the numbers and choose a formula that doesn't accurately represent most people's feelings about the market. I always trust a lot of anecdata over the "official" numbers - word of mouth almost always indicates a problem before the official numbers do.

>they absolutely manipulate the numbers and choose a formula that doesn't accurately represent most people's feelings about the market.

Examples of this?

Re: The graduate 'jobpocalypse': Where have all the entry-level jobs gone? [video]

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Post by fred_is_fred »

davydm wrote: post #3

Companies only hiring people with experience is far from a new problem. Back in the late 90s, I struggled to get my first job that actually used my studied skills. Yes, I had a job - delivering pizza - but I was desperately trying to get a job _coding_, and in-between virtue-signallers only hiring people of a specific race and the vast majority of companies expecting years of experience, it took quite a while and I r…

I graduated during this time from a mid-tier school and had 5 offers for coding. None of them at a sexy dot-com but jobs far outstripped CS grads back then. There was also no DEI discussions going on at the time.

Re: The graduate 'jobpocalypse': Where have all the entry-level jobs gone? [video]

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Post by ceedan »

al_borland wrote: post #2

It’s kind of interesting. When my sister graduated from college in 2003, the speaker mentioned it was the worst time ever to try and find a job. A couple years later in 2005, I heard the same thing when I graduated. I heard it at various other times over the years. And now today it is still the worst time ever to find a job. After hearing the same line, fairly consistently, for nearly 25 years, I’m having a hard time…

Compared to the 90s, I'm sure those years did feel pretty awful, but 2008-2010 were far worse. The global financial crisis caused college graduates to return to school for additional 1-2 year degrees in order to simply defer student loan payments, and avoid the job market. Once they graduated from their masters programs, or additional majors, they were still applying for the same entry level positions.

Re: The graduate 'jobpocalypse': Where have all the entry-level jobs gone? [video]

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Post by Analemma_ »

piltdownman wrote: post #11
davydm wrote: post #3

Companies only hiring people with experience is far from a new problem. Back in the late 90s, I struggled to get my first job that actually used my studied skills. Yes, I had a job - delivering pizza - but I was desperately trying to get a job _coding_, and in-between virtue-signallers only hiring people of a specific race and the vast majority of companies expecting years of experience, it took quite a while and I r…

You're blaming DEI for not getting a job... during the .com boom? If ever there was a softer time to get hired as a developer, I have yet to hear of it.

It’s so insidious that its power can even reach backwards in time! Shredding our hallowed traditional values of causality.

The delusions would be funny if there weren’t so many people like the GP currently blowing up the lodestones of civilization because of them.

Re: The graduate 'jobpocalypse': Where have all the entry-level jobs gone? [video]

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Post by mikestew »

davydm wrote: post #3

Companies only hiring people with experience is far from a new problem. Back in the late 90s, I struggled to get my first job that actually used my studied skills. Yes, I had a job - delivering pizza - but I was desperately trying to get a job _coding_, and in-between virtue-signallers only hiring people of a specific race and the vast majority of companies expecting years of experience, it took quite a while and I r…

Meanwhile, everyone else in the late-90s was getting a job if they could spell HTML. But for you, the DEI kept you from employment?
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