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Re: US Military struggling to deploy AI weapons

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Post by matusp »

gitremote wrote: post #18

The US is too proud to admit that Ukraine is the world expert on drone warfare and that Americans should learn from Ukrainians. "Ukraine's homegrown drones have become increasingly lethal, critical tools in war with Russia" https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-fedorov-drones-war-rus... "Poland turns to Ukraine for drone warfare expertise after Russian weapons enter airspace" https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/poland…

Two points here. (1) A lot of technology that Ukraine uses is based on what the Western countries have provided them. (2) Ukraine struggles with AI as well, in fact, according to some sources, Ukraine is already behind Russia in drone technology. One of the reasons cited is that they invested heavily into AI and it did not yield viable drones. On the other hand, Russians decided to invest into manually controlled drones controlled via optic cables and they are very effective.

Re: US Military struggling to deploy AI weapons

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Post by parsimo2010 »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #4
dijit wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the previous generations of AI which has been rebranded to "machine vision" and "machine learning" rather than "AI" due to the numerous hype crashes making the term AI unpalatable for a generation. It's materially different than "Generative AI" which is the current trend of AI hype, which is what I think the "AI" in the title is referring to.

Unlikely to be Gen AI. The military applications of missiles that can generate LinkedIn posts about B2B marketing as they descend on their targets are probably quite limited.

How about a multimodal model that looks at sensor inputs and decides about what it sees being the actual target and what might be a decoy, and generates guidance commands to the real target? Does that sound like a military application of the GenAI capabilities we know exist today with vision and computer use?

Or perhaps an AI with a tactics/strategy prompt that watches the statuses/locations of several drones and coordinates their actions to achieve an overall objective? Does that sound like a military application that the military could be working on?

Re: US Military struggling to deploy AI weapons

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Post by sleepyguy »

gitremote wrote: post #18

The US is too proud to admit that Ukraine is the world expert on drone warfare and that Americans should learn from Ukrainians. "Ukraine's homegrown drones have become increasingly lethal, critical tools in war with Russia" https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-fedorov-drones-war-rus... "Poland turns to Ukraine for drone warfare expertise after Russian weapons enter airspace" https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/poland…

The US and EU/NATO are facing growing technological obsolescence. They lack the capability to effectively counter modern threats and appear disconnected from the realities of contemporary warfare.

A clear example is NATO’s struggle to respond to Russian drone incursions. Recently, over 20 drones were launched into Polish airspace—yet only four were intercepted, at a cost of millions of dollars. The remainder crashed across Polish territory, highlighting serious gaps in air defense systems.

Re: US Military struggling to deploy AI weapons

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Post by fsckboy »

gitremote wrote: post #18

The US is too proud to admit that Ukraine is the world expert on drone warfare and that Americans should learn from Ukrainians. "Ukraine's homegrown drones have become increasingly lethal, critical tools in war with Russia" https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-fedorov-drones-war-rus... "Poland turns to Ukraine for drone warfare expertise after Russian weapons enter airspace" https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/poland…

>The US is too proud to admit that Ukraine is the world expert on drone warfare and that Americans should learn from Ukrainians.

there is literally nobody in America who nurses that type of pride, quite the opposite, Americans have been unusually open to integrating foreign ideas from the beginning.

Re: US Military struggling to deploy AI weapons

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Post by wisemang »

sleepyguy wrote: post #24
gitremote wrote: post #18

The US is too proud to admit that Ukraine is the world expert on drone warfare and that Americans should learn from Ukrainians. "Ukraine's homegrown drones have become increasingly lethal, critical tools in war with Russia" https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-fedorov-drones-war-rus... "Poland turns to Ukraine for drone warfare expertise after Russian weapons enter airspace" https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/poland…

The US and EU/NATO are facing growing technological obsolescence. They lack the capability to effectively counter modern threats and appear disconnected from the realities of contemporary warfare. A clear example is NATO’s struggle to respond to Russian drone incursions. Recently, over 20 drones were launched into Polish airspace—yet only four were intercepted, at a cost of millions of dollars. The remainder crashed…

Weren’t there well over 100 launched, most of which were intercepted by Ukraine, and 20 made it into Polish airspace?

Re: US Military struggling to deploy AI weapons

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Post by apercu »

fsckboy wrote: post #25
gitremote wrote: post #18

The US is too proud to admit that Ukraine is the world expert on drone warfare and that Americans should learn from Ukrainians. "Ukraine's homegrown drones have become increasingly lethal, critical tools in war with Russia" https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-fedorov-drones-war-rus... "Poland turns to Ukraine for drone warfare expertise after Russian weapons enter airspace" https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/poland…

> The US is too proud to admit that Ukraine is the world expert on drone warfare and that Americans should learn from Ukrainians. there is literally nobody in America who nurses that type of pride, quite the opposite, Americans have been unusually open to integrating foreign ideas from the beginning.

Broad statement.

Re: US Military struggling to deploy AI weapons

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Post by apercu »

matusp wrote: post #21
gitremote wrote: post #18

The US is too proud to admit that Ukraine is the world expert on drone warfare and that Americans should learn from Ukrainians. "Ukraine's homegrown drones have become increasingly lethal, critical tools in war with Russia" https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-fedorov-drones-war-rus... "Poland turns to Ukraine for drone warfare expertise after Russian weapons enter airspace" https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/poland…

Two points here. (1) A lot of technology that Ukraine uses is based on what the Western countries have provided them. (2) Ukraine struggles with AI as well, in fact, according to some sources, Ukraine is already behind Russia in drone technology. One of the reasons cited is that they invested heavily into AI and it did not yield viable drones. On the other hand, Russians decided to invest into manually controlled dro…

I trust very few "sources", especially these days. And even more especially, in the middle of a war between two former USSR states that have deep histories in manipulating public opinion and weaponizing that against their adversaries.

Re: US Military struggling to deploy AI weapons

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Post by apercu »

sleepyguy wrote: post #24
gitremote wrote: post #18

The US is too proud to admit that Ukraine is the world expert on drone warfare and that Americans should learn from Ukrainians. "Ukraine's homegrown drones have become increasingly lethal, critical tools in war with Russia" https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-fedorov-drones-war-rus... "Poland turns to Ukraine for drone warfare expertise after Russian weapons enter airspace" https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/poland…

The US and EU/NATO are facing growing technological obsolescence. They lack the capability to effectively counter modern threats and appear disconnected from the realities of contemporary warfare. A clear example is NATO’s struggle to respond to Russian drone incursions. Recently, over 20 drones were launched into Polish airspace—yet only four were intercepted, at a cost of millions of dollars. The remainder crashed…

Oh, totally, I'm so glad you have all the facts and can enlighten us.

I think NATO is more important now than it has been in decades.

Re: US Military struggling to deploy AI weapons

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Post by mandeepj »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #19
charcircuit wrote: post #2

The link doesn't work. Also missiles already use AI to know where they are, so I'm skeptical that the headline is true.

Missiles famously know where they are not. https://youtu.be/bZe5J8SVCYQ

> Missiles famously know where they are not.

what if it misses a few locations where they are not?

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