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Just to be clear: in some drama about one year ago the moderation team considered that people could be banned solely based on their political opinions if those happened to be right-wing / MAGA / anti-wokism. Then the drama extended because people, even if they weren't right-wing/MAGA/anti-wokism had to agree with the moderators' political opinions. So when TFA writes this: > apparently trying to address perceptions o…
Just to be clear: in some drama about one year ago the moderation team considered that people could be banned solely based on their political opinions if those happened to be right-wing / MAGA / anti-wokism. Then the drama extended because people, even if they weren't right-wing/MAGA/anti-wokism had to agree with the moderators' political opinions. So when TFA writes this: > apparently trying to address perceptions o…
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In my experience watching their mods over the years, they seem to have a big problem with other people having opinions they disagree with. I get the feeling like their insistence on things like CoCs is ultimately just used as a false flag to censor "wrong" opinions based on colorful interpretations of subjective terminology used in the policy. And they're moderators, so, what they say is already "the law" (at least i…
> I get the feeling like their insistence on things like CoCs is ultimately just used as a false flag to censor "wrong" opinions based on colorful interpretations of subjective terminology used in the policy. I don't think the term "false flag" works that way, but it 110% is exactly that. Consider how they frame the proposal to add other mods: > intially phrased as a suggestion, with a stated goal of adding “diversit…
For reference, to my knowledge these words are pretty much interchangeable with "folks" being less formal I guess.
HA, wow, thanks for posting. It’s hard to recall another instance of someone writing something so confident that they’ll come off well, while clearly coming off as self-centered; “our (unelected) team was being steered by the (elected) steering committee” and “they kept annoyingly fighting for objective moderation practices” are pretty damning complaints, especially when given without any actual context! The framing…
Sadly, I don't think it's rare in the FOSS world these days.
> The framing of “the moderation team” resigning when two of them aren’t is a delectable cherry on top of the other drama.
I'd keep an eye out on social media to see what pressure the remaining mods face from those loyal to the resigning ones (including themselves).
> last year’s (ongoing?) Python Foundation moderation debacle
Everyone quieted down about it, but there was renewed tension in this year's elections thanks in large part to Franz Kiraly's efforts to reform the organization (ref. https://github.com/python-software-federation/psf2025 ; https://discuss.python.org/t/_/103390 ; https://discuss.python.org/t/_/103460 ; https://discuss.python.org/t/_/103760 ; https://discuss.python.org/t/_/103776).
> P.S. anyone know what the political left/right split here is?
The upset moderators are on the far left (per contemporary American conception of the spectrum). All of this fundamentally goes back to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40199153 , if not further. (Even if I weren't familiar with the story, this would be my prior assumption by now.)
HA, wow, thanks for posting. It’s hard to recall another instance of someone writing something so confident that they’ll come off well, while clearly coming off as self-centered; “our (unelected) team was being steered by the (elected) steering committee” and “they kept annoyingly fighting for objective moderation practices” are pretty damning complaints, especially when given without any actual context! The framing…
> The framing of “the moderation team” resigning when two of them aren’t One of those is resigning, but for other reasons. I don't know about the last one. > some arcane art that only experts can truly understand the intricacies of I mean, it kinda is . It doesn't take long to get up to speed, if you have good teachers (I'd say 3 months), but I keep watching new moderators making the same mistakes over and over again…
Could you elaborate?
Just to be clear: in some drama about one year ago the moderation team considered that people could be banned solely based on their political opinions if those happened to be right-wing / MAGA / anti-wokism. Then the drama extended because people, even if they weren't right-wing/MAGA/anti-wokism had to agree with the moderators' political opinions. So when TFA writes this: > apparently trying to address perceptions o…
Why do these useless Wrong Think police keep inserting themselves in open source projects? No one wants the drama they bring to their projects. People are just trying to build software... Open source is not a platform for forcing political and social views on people, and not wanting to be a part of that isn't equivalent to opposing it. If you're out there crawling open source projects: looking to insert "acceptable u…
I'm sorry, but I don't really buy into these arguments. If open source communities stuck to technical matters, there would be little to no need for moderators to pass judgment on political or social views. Their primary role would be in conflict resolution over technical matters . Unfortunately, people being people, political and social views will emerge. Also, people being people, any attempt by moderators to check…
Why do these useless Wrong Think police keep inserting themselves in open source projects? No one wants the drama they bring to their projects. People are just trying to build software... Open source is not a platform for forcing political and social views on people, and not wanting to be a part of that isn't equivalent to opposing it. If you're out there crawling open source projects: looking to insert "acceptable u…
I'm sorry, but I don't really buy into these arguments. If open source communities stuck to technical matters, there would be little to no need for moderators to pass judgment on political or social views. Their primary role would be in conflict resolution over technical matters . Unfortunately, people being people, political and social views will emerge. Also, people being people, any attempt by moderators to check…
As far as I can tell, this all ultimately started because a fringe of activists (aligned with this group of moderators, and possibly including them) within the community decided they didn't like the political implications of where the project got its funding.
Just to be clear: in some drama about one year ago the moderation team considered that people could be banned solely based on their political opinions if those happened to be right-wing / MAGA / anti-wokism. Then the drama extended because people, even if they weren't right-wing/MAGA/anti-wokism had to agree with the moderators' political opinions. So when TFA writes this: > apparently trying to address perceptions o…
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To "understand" this, it would have to be correct.
Why do these useless Wrong Think police keep inserting themselves in open source projects? No one wants the drama they bring to their projects. People are just trying to build software... Open source is not a platform for forcing political and social views on people, and not wanting to be a part of that isn't equivalent to opposing it. If you're out there crawling open source projects: looking to insert "acceptable u…
I'm sorry, but I don't really buy into these arguments. If open source communities stuck to technical matters, there would be little to no need for moderators to pass judgment on political or social views. Their primary role would be in conflict resolution over technical matters . Unfortunately, people being people, political and social views will emerge. Also, people being people, any attempt by moderators to check…
There's one side that doesn't practically care about that, and then there's the other side that would want me not only removed from that community, cancelled, but even physically assaulted because apparently that's ok because I hold the "wrong" views so laws and human rights no longer apply.