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Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by smt88 »

jjangkke wrote: post #10

What's special about Suno 5 is that the songs are actually good to listen to in place of professionally produced songs. For example, my favorite genre is new jack swing and there is a very limited number of this genre as it was briefly popular during the 90s. Now I have an endless supply of it and you can't tell that its AI produced anymore. Sure to an expert they might be able to detect it but for consumers its just…

I've had some fun with Suno 5, but the songs absolutely don't replace well-made human music. They're much more formulaic and over-produced. They're usually forgettable. People I play them for can always tell they're AI produced.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by raincole »

chrisvenum wrote: post #7

While I like using AI for assisting with repetitive programming, I can’t help but feel sorry for my producer and illustrator friends who are now having to compete with generated tools. Is it snobby of me to look down upon art that is created using these tools as lesser because the human did not make every tiny decision going into a peice? That a persons taste and talent is no longer fully used to produce something an…

> Is it snobby of me

Yes. But aesthetic taste and snobbery usually go hand in hand.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by meowface »

tummler wrote: post #14
jjangkke wrote: post #10

What's special about Suno 5 is that the songs are actually good to listen to in place of professionally produced songs. For example, my favorite genre is new jack swing and there is a very limited number of this genre as it was briefly popular during the 90s. Now I have an endless supply of it and you can't tell that its AI produced anymore. Sure to an expert they might be able to detect it but for consumers its just…

What a dystopian and depressing outlook on the valuation and enjoyment of art. Truly hope you're an anomaly.

I simultaneously feel repulsed by AI music and "art" and yet am totally open to being captivated by AI music if I really feel something is musically better than almost any human-made music I've heard.

I just haven't heard anything that isn't "slopful" yet. If I do, I will still feel weird about it, but I'm a big believer in the value of "aesthetic objects in themselves", so I am eager to find something I do actually like.

Even just knowing something was drawn or composed by an AI will negatively taint my opinion from the start, but I'm still open.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by a456463 »

jjangkke wrote: post #16
chrisvenum wrote: post #7

While I like using AI for assisting with repetitive programming, I can’t help but feel sorry for my producer and illustrator friends who are now having to compete with generated tools. Is it snobby of me to look down upon art that is created using these tools as lesser because the human did not make every tiny decision going into a peice? That a persons taste and talent is no longer fully used to produce something an…

Applying your logic, did you feel bad for seamstresses when industrial revolution took off? did you feel bad for hardware manufacturers in America when they were outsourced to China? Art is also a form of labor and whoever can produce quality at quantity wins. Idealizing art in some sort of religious idolation is just plain silly. We haven't had the Picassos or Mozarts or Oscar Peterson for quite some time now yet th…

I hear this but this is not the industrial revolution buddy.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by bogtap82 »

patapong wrote: post #8
80hd wrote: post #5

I wasn't expecting to, but I got chills listening to some Suno creations from artists who are clearly very talented at using this new medium. Much like those of us hammering away at LLMs who eventually get incredible results through persistence, people are doing the same with these other AI tools, creating in an entirely new way. I'm sure Suno are working hard on this and these AI tools can only come together as fast…

That sounds really interesting. Would you mind sharing some examples of such creations?

I'm not the person you responded to, but these are some examples from someone I know that had accompanying music videos (actual video production) made for them:

Sunscreen: https://youtu.be/VBaWtOHPTZw

Purple Sunset Over Lake 2: https://youtu.be/lD7rSxPncs4

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by lomase »

recursive wrote: post #3

I'm really curious how the traditional DAW features stack up against the incumbents. A good DAW has a ton of features. Developing a whole DAW from scratch just to add a "generate part" button sounds like a lot.

The people using Sunno AI don't care about writing or mixing music.

They don't need the same feature list.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by lomase »

meowface wrote: post #24
tummler wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a dystopian and depressing outlook on the valuation and enjoyment of art. Truly hope you're an anomaly.

I simultaneously feel repulsed by AI music and "art" and yet am totally open to being captivated by AI music if I really feel something is musically better than almost any human-made music I've heard. I just haven't heard anything that isn't "slopful" yet. If I do, I will still feel weird about it, but I'm a big believer in the value of "aesthetic objects in themselves", so I am eager to find something I do actually…

I do love generative music. I don't care if you get your notes from a markov chain a shif register a LLM or your brain.

The problem with AI music is that is just sounds like shit.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by meowface »

lomase wrote: post #28
meowface wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I simultaneously feel repulsed by AI music and "art" and yet am totally open to being captivated by AI music if I really feel something is musically better than almost any human-made music I've heard. I just haven't heard anything that isn't "slopful" yet. If I do, I will still feel weird about it, but I'm a big believer in the value of "aesthetic objects in themselves", so I am eager to find something I do actually…

I do love generative music. I don't care if you get your notes from a markov chain a shif register a LLM or your brain. The problem with AI music is that is just sounds like shit.

Right. That's pretty much my stance.

I don't totally discount the position that the human "soul" is what makes art art and all that, but I still do think something can be very enjoyable and good without being created by a sentient entity, in theory.

Re: Suno Studio, a Generative AI DAW

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Post by raincole »

tummler wrote: post #19

Suno is moving toward becoming a browser-based DAW that happens to use AI. There are already more capable and established DAWs, and I see no reason they can't implement AI into their workflows-- in a more precise manner, where it's actually useful, instead of wholesale as a gimmick. Many are already doing this. So I don't understand where Suno is going with any of this. It either needs to be: 1. So easy anyone can pr…

All you said is very reasonable.

But then you look at image gen. The established one, namely Adobe, are surprisingly not winning the AI race.

Then you look at code gen. The established IDEs are doing even worse.

I don't rule out the possibility of music being truly special, but the idea of "established tools can just easily integrate AI right" isn't universally true.

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