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Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

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Post by ejolto »

Tankenstein wrote: post #5
4ndrewl wrote: post #3

I wouldn't rule out a mass panic-type event. A similar event which closed London's Gatwick airport (one of Europe's busiest) garnered no evidence and no serious lines of enquiry. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/01/the-mystery-... See also the recent closure of Heathrow Terminal 4 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5ypl5grg24t

There's footage of this incident, footage of monday's Copenhagen incident, and there were arrests in Oslo on monday for another incident over Oslo.

The arrest in Oslo were a married couple from Signapore in their 60s. The man was fined and 8000 NOK for admitting to flying the drone and might get deported. They were flying in central Oslo, and it seems unrelated to the drones in Denmark.

There were also unconfirmed sightings of drones around the airport in Oslo. The director of police states that "It is still unclear what was observed. There are conflicting interpretations of the observations that were made".

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

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Post by Tankenstein »

vachina wrote: post #17
trhway wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no pointer. It is an opinion consensus held widely in some narrow analytical circles. In the open China clearly stated that it will not let Russia lose. China uses Russia as a ram and the war to keep NATO, and specifically US, busy in Europe.

Sounds like bs

While the motive is speculation - each event the poster pointed out happened. These are not normal events.

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

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Post by Tankenstein »

ejolto wrote: post #21
Tankenstein wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's footage of this incident, footage of monday's Copenhagen incident, and there were arrests in Oslo on monday for another incident over Oslo.

The arrest in Oslo were a married couple from Signapore in their 60s. The man was fined and 8000 NOK for admitting to flying the drone and might get deported. They were flying in central Oslo, and it seems unrelated to the drones in Denmark. There were also unconfirmed sightings of drones around the airport in Oslo. The director of police states that "It is still unclear what was observed. There are conflicting inter…

Thank you for the additional context. Based on this, I agree that Oslo might not actually be related.

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

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Post by shmerl »

trhway wrote: post #9
elric wrote: post #2

So are these Russian drones? Or perhaps protests against their pushing of Chat Control?

Summit in Shanghai there Xi gave ok to probe and harass NATO, immediately 20 intelligence drones 100+ miles deep into Poland, 3 fighter jets 10 minutes into Estonia airspace. (Those actions already triggered kneejerk in NATO to give first priority to beefing up NATO countries' air defenses instead of supplying air-defense systems to Ukraine). Add to that cyberattack on the airports 3 days ago and now massive drones i…

Turkey taught Putin what should happen to his military airplanes that violate their airspace. Putin got the message very quickly.

Europe should do the same instead of pretending Putin will understand any weaker response.

TL;DR: shoot them down on sight.

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

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Post by vintermann »

Tankenstein wrote: post #14
vintermann wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These drones have lights on at night. That doesn't sound too much like Russians to me. But maybe that's just what the Russians want me to think... At least one of the videos published recently was likely of a school plane from Copenhagen Airtaxi, according to a Norwegian drone trade magazine: https://www.dronemag.no/dansk-droneobservasjon-kan-ha-vaert-...

If the intent is to harass - lights on is the way to go, to make their presence very clearly known.

But, as I said, it looks like the early (earliest?) observations were actually of a school plane. Probably some concerned citizen filmed it, and the authorities didn't immediately realize what it was since figuring out the exact place of a light in the sky in a cell phone video isn't that easy.

Could it still be the Russians? Yes, I guess. But if the first observation turns out to have NOT been the Russians, to me that's a bit like how the first crop circles turned out to be a confirmed prank - yeah, technically later ones could still be aliens but given how it started doesn't that seem implausible?

Not to make a comparison otherwise, of course believing in nefarious Russians is a lot more reasonable than believing in mischievous aliens. But I'm trying to make an argument about a causal explanations and a kind of data-generating process, ... not doing too great a job at it I guess.

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

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Post by vintermann »

clan wrote: post #20
vintermann wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These drones have lights on at night. That doesn't sound too much like Russians to me. But maybe that's just what the Russians want me to think... At least one of the videos published recently was likely of a school plane from Copenhagen Airtaxi, according to a Norwegian drone trade magazine: https://www.dronemag.no/dansk-droneobservasjon-kan-ha-vaert-...

4 smaller airports in DK had visits during this night as well. Also lights on. Still thinking coincidence?

Definitively not coincidence, but there are a lot of things that could cause a pattern of reported air lights - such as a warning to be on high alert looking for them, the autumnal equinox (nights are getting much darker very quickly in Denmark right now), etc.

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

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Post by 4ndrewl »

clan wrote: post #20
vintermann wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These drones have lights on at night. That doesn't sound too much like Russians to me. But maybe that's just what the Russians want me to think... At least one of the videos published recently was likely of a school plane from Copenhagen Airtaxi, according to a Norwegian drone trade magazine: https://www.dronemag.no/dansk-droneobservasjon-kan-ha-vaert-...

4 smaller airports in DK had visits during this night as well. Also lights on. Still thinking coincidence?

Mass-hysteria isn't just coincidence, it feeds off itself.

The 4 other airports were all in DK, where it's top of the news and where everyone is talking about it. Not in other countries.

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

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Post by trhway »

shmerl wrote: post #25
trhway wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Summit in Shanghai there Xi gave ok to probe and harass NATO, immediately 20 intelligence drones 100+ miles deep into Poland, 3 fighter jets 10 minutes into Estonia airspace. (Those actions already triggered kneejerk in NATO to give first priority to beefing up NATO countries' air defenses instead of supplying air-defense systems to Ukraine). Add to that cyberattack on the airports 3 days ago and now massive drones i…

Turkey taught Putin what should happen to his military airplanes that violate their airspace. Putin got the message very quickly. Europe should do the same instead of pretending Putin will understand any weaker response. TL;DR: shoot them down on sight.

I'm kind of lost in my understanding when it comes to Europe. To me it is very illustrative how the Wirecard guy (son of a KGB agent and is currently residing in Russia) while having access to key intelligence information of Germany - by virtue of for example informants and other intelligence services payments going through Wirecard - at the same time was openly having "safaris" with the Wagner group in Syria.

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

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Post by vintermann »

4ndrewl wrote: post #28
clan wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4 smaller airports in DK had visits during this night as well. Also lights on. Still thinking coincidence?

Mass-hysteria isn't just coincidence, it feeds off itself. The 4 other airports were all in DK, where it's top of the news and where everyone is talking about it. Not in other countries.

I think mass hysteria is too perjorative. We have a lot of suspicious data points, but then a new data point turns up (early lights were a false alert) which suggests that the data generating process may be pretty biased.
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