I honestly don’t know if I would have seen and avoided that, it came up really fast. And based on the video it looked like a cardboard box or something not worth avoiding until it was within 2-3 seconds range.
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Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles
#22"is a Level 2 driver assistance system that requires constant supervision by a human driver" - the reason for human supervision might have something to do with uncommon situations (debris in road being such a situation). Elon's estimates have always been off but it is irresponsible to see an obstacle up ahead and assume the computer would do something about it while the driver and passenger debate on what the said ob…
Level 2 is very dangerous because it's so good that humans are only needed in emergencies...
Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles
#23I use Tesla FSD 99% of the time. I recently drove from Austin to Florida and back. The only time I had to take over was for road debris on the highway. Off the highway it’s very good about avoiding it. My guess is Tesla has not been focusing on this issue as it's not needed for robotaxi for phase one.
The fact that it works well in good conditions doesn't make it good. It's the unexpected situations that determine if someone lives or dies.
It doesn't have to do with the conditions. It has to do with whether or not it's on the highway or not. The car uses a different Stack for highway and off highway, the highway has been a step child for quite a long time now
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#24Two more years guys, just give him two more years, a few more billion, a bit more political power and I promise he'll give you your fancy self driving toy. (Repeat from 2012 ad infinitum)
Easy problem to solve. We just need to train an AI image classifier with highly annotated images of every single possible combination of road debris in every single country in the entire world. Shouldn't take longer than a month, right team? /s
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#25> Tesla’s EV business is in decline and the stock price depends entirely on the self-driving and robot promises I don't think that's right; I think the stock price entirely depends on people seeing it a vehicle to invest in Musk. If Musk died tomorrow, but nothing else changed at Tesla, the stock price would crater.
If it were only that TSLA is a way for retail investors to buy shares of ELON, Tesla wouldn't need to do a Robo taxi rollout in Austin to bolster claims that FSD is for real.
Elon can't levitate TSLA and other valuations by himself. There has to be at least the appearance of substance. That appearance is wearing thin. While I'm going to observe the caution that the market can stay irrational longer than I can stay solvent, once reality assert itself, Elon will be powerless to recreate the illusion.
Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles
#26I honestly don’t know if I would have seen and avoided that, it came up really fast. And based on the video it looked like a cardboard box or something not worth avoiding until it was within 2-3 seconds range.
It may look like that on video, but in fact you can hear the two guys pointing it out and chatting about it a whole 8 seconds before impact.
Also of course you're avoiding an unknown object that large, especially when there's plenty of space to go around it on either side.
If you still don't think you can avoid something like that, please get off the road for everyone's safety.
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#27> Tesla’s EV business is in decline and the stock price depends entirely on the self-driving and robot promises I don't think that's right; I think the stock price entirely depends on people seeing it a vehicle to invest in Musk. If Musk died tomorrow, but nothing else changed at Tesla, the stock price would crater.
I actually think the stock price would go up. His detour to fascism and megalomania has chased off tons of liberal environmentalists like myself that are the target audience for electric cars. I cancelled what would have been our replacement Tesla when he was implying on Twitter there can be good reasons for sneaking into the speaker of the house’s house and hitting her husband in the head with a hammer.
The issue is that if you look at Tesla as a normal car company (without an iconoclast CEO/personality), then you need to do normal P/E math, which is going to be sub-100 for sure.
Right now it’s easily double to triple that, even with Musks behavior.
Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles
#28I use Tesla FSD 99% of the time. I recently drove from Austin to Florida and back. The only time I had to take over was for road debris on the highway. Off the highway it’s very good about avoiding it. My guess is Tesla has not been focusing on this issue as it's not needed for robotaxi for phase one.
Any software that works 90% or even 99% of the time is not safe software especially when it has to be used to operate machines with deadly power.
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#30A friend of mine who loves Tesla watched this video and said "many humans would have hit that". I feel we'll be hearing a lot of that excuse.