The Ruby community has a DHH problem

This is disappointing from DHH. He tends to carry a lot of criticism online, and based on my exposure to his ideas in long form media, I tend to agree with him more than not. However, in his linked post on this issue, it strikes me as being written by someone whose understanding is largely based emotions evoked by provocative news headlines. But, I'm going to refrain from attempting to psychoanalyse an individual who I know very little about (further than the previous sentence).

OP's post, I think, correctly points out that DHH appears to believe that British == White. Wish he'd be clear on this point, as he's often claimed and indeed has been in the past regarding other issues. Dancing around it shows a lack of respect for the audience and/or a sign of weak conviction.

If you believe in something strongly enough to want to have an impact on its discourse, why not be clear about it? Here's an example of a clear statement regarding this particular issue: "I believe that our country ought to aim for demographics where 80% of the people on our streets look like us [whatever that happens to be]". What's so difficult about that? A clear demand/objective easier to vote on/measure/debate....everyone knows that, then why do the proponents of such ideas always dance around being specific?

> London has been multi-ethnic since the 70s or 80s, if not earlier. It is very much a world city.

Leaving aside the Bronze Age structures around the London area and river,

  The archaeologist Leslie Wallace notes, "Because no LPRIA [Late pre-Roman Iron Age] settlements or significant domestic refuse have been found in London, despite extensive archaeological excavation, arguments for a purely Roman foundation of London are now common and uncontroversial."

The city of London itself grew from a multi-ethnic kernel:

  Londinium was established as a civilian town by the Romans about four years after the invasion of AD 43. London, like Rome, was founded on the point of the river where it was narrow enough to bridge and the strategic location of the city provided easy access to much of Europe.

It's been multi-ethnic for at least two thousand years.

above quotes sourced from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_London

> It's not actually ethnicity he's talking about, it's skin color. Ethnicity is cultural.

DHH says people are not "native Brits". The literal meaning of that is ethnicity, not skin colour. Of course DHH might be using this as code for white, but it is not the literal meaning, and (as another comment points out) the statistic he quotes is for the total of the ethnic groups that are considered white British - it excludes white people who are not ethnically British.

If he is, then he is, again, projecting his own views onto a culture he does not really understand. Some people from European countries (e.g. an Albanian illegal immigrant) are far more likely to face hostility than some non-white people (e.g. a professional affluent South Asian with a British accent). Someone recently commented that a racist who they know well would not mind my (brown) family because we "sound posh" so would prefer us to people like Poles.

> How many generations is enough to become "native"?

Define native! Are white Americans native in the US, and are Afrikaners native to South Africa, etc.? It is an ambiguous word.

The problem disappears if you drop the adjective native and just say "British".

> Why exactly aren't people of any skin color who live in the UK, speak English, and believe in the full package of "Western values" (equality, freedom of speech, religion, rule of law etc) and "English behaviors" (queueing, tea, whatever)

I think the problem with that definition is that lots of people how have never even lived in the UK believe in those values and drink tea and even queue. I know plenty. Also, English or British? British is a nationality, English is arguable an ethnicity (as are Scottish and Welsh).

> It's extremely worrisome.

I agree there, and it is very disappointing to see DHH spouting this.

Even if it was the case, which by merely impression of being there for few days recently, but even if it was, are the folks he referring slaughtering white people? attacking them? Curbing their right for their beliefs? Taking all the jobs deeming a class, race or group segregated?

I don't think so. If anything, i don't think "native Brits" as he called, not wanting to do any of the low-end jobs.

I get why people are frustrated, but it feels like anger's just being used for political gains. There is no easy answers to the current economic problems.

This is exactly the same Brexit maneuver, done by the exact same people trying to rise a political party that has no true solution rather than blame people.

After the EU nothing has improved in the UK. There was no money for the NHS anyway. It is just a political trick IMO

> but even if it was, are the folks he referring slaughtering white people

I don’t want to sound like Elon musk (he’s corrupt like the rest), but white people aren’t really reproducing at a rate to keep them going. There’s other ways for a race to die out. You think a majority asian Britain is going to be favorable to whites?

> i don't think "native Brits" as he called, not wanting to do any of the low-end jobs.

Because they’re awful jobs. The elites running the country opted to import cheap, exploitable labor instead of improving the working conditions of their countrymen.

And this is ultimately the problem with immigration. It’s done by an elite that hates their people. The elites profit while the common people suffer.

> It is also a habit of tyrants to prefer the company of aliens to that of citizens at table and in society; citizens, they feel, are enemies

Aristotle said this thousands of years ago. The behavior we’re seeing isn’t new, and the response of “we want people that look like us in power” isn’t anything new either. Race is an extension of family, and a ruler who views the people as an extension of their family will rule much better than one who views the people as cattle.

The ultimate problem is the rich hate the natives and have too much money. They push immigration because it cheapens their bottom line and ensures the people will remain divided. They refuse to use their wealth to better their nation.

> There is no easy answers to the current economic problems

There is an extremely easy answer. The levels of corruption are so astronomical that simply installing rulers who aren’t corrupt would turn things around overnight. Unfortunately, the elites have done a good job conditioning the people to view good elites as “far right racists” simply because they’ll prioritize family over foreigners. And until we can unwind that conditioning, things are going to continue getting worse at a time when we have technological miracles.