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Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by Finnucane »

VoidWhisperer wrote: post #20
bmitc wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that actually true for Microsoft? How they've evolved .NET and VS Code is amazing. You can make a PR on Microsoft's repos, someone actually pays attention, you get to talk and worth with Microsoft employees, and they merge things in. Microsoft is leaps and bounds more open than Google and Apple when it comes to development tooling.

That is one part of microsoft, yeah, but then you also them making various parts of windows worse to try to squeeze every penny out of people, and where that fails, doing things like ads for apps in the start menu

MS directs all of its hostility toward the end user, Apple spreads it around to everybody.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by CrimsonCape »

bmitc wrote: post #16
SilverElfin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is all three companies - Apple google Microsoft - are making their platforms worse. It’s a symptom of low competition and immense concentration of capital / labor.

Is that actually true for Microsoft? How they've evolved .NET and VS Code is amazing. You can make a PR on Microsoft's repos, someone actually pays attention, you get to talk and worth with Microsoft employees, and they merge things in. Microsoft is leaps and bounds more open than Google and Apple when it comes to development tooling.

Not only is dotnet development is the benchmark to aspire to (IMO), i'm not sure you could name another corporate project that comes even close. Is there a way to globally see github project activity by rank? All of dotnet is MIT. They literally have public meetings and take public notes. What other corporate project has this?

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by pjmlp »

bmitc wrote: post #16
SilverElfin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is all three companies - Apple google Microsoft - are making their platforms worse. It’s a symptom of low competition and immense concentration of capital / labor.

Is that actually true for Microsoft? How they've evolved .NET and VS Code is amazing. You can make a PR on Microsoft's repos, someone actually pays attention, you get to talk and worth with Microsoft employees, and they merge things in. Microsoft is leaps and bounds more open than Google and Apple when it comes to development tooling.

They are, however there are plenty of things to complain about, and you won't find any praise from developers that bought into WinRT reboot, and how it was managed since Windows 8, with tooling rebooted multiple times and left to rotten, me included.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by freedomben »

bmitc wrote: post #16
SilverElfin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is all three companies - Apple google Microsoft - are making their platforms worse. It’s a symptom of low competition and immense concentration of capital / labor.

Is that actually true for Microsoft? How they've evolved .NET and VS Code is amazing. You can make a PR on Microsoft's repos, someone actually pays attention, you get to talk and worth with Microsoft employees, and they merge things in. Microsoft is leaps and bounds more open than Google and Apple when it comes to development tooling.

Microsoft developer tooling is usually pretty great IME. It's being a user that mostly sucks

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by pjmlp »

dtagames wrote: post #5

Apple has always been famously anti-developer. They write terrible documentation, too. You're supposed to suck up to them to get access to their precious users. Everything in this article is a reason to stay away from everything proprietary about Apple development. If there is some software that can't be delivered with open web technology or an existing game engine, I'd like to know what it is.

Old Apple, the one before NeXT reverse acquisition, had great documentation.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by pjmlp »

sunaookami wrote: post #17
yiyayo110 wrote: post #7

wait until you try Android Studio...

Huh, Android Studio is amazing because it's build by people who actually know how to make software (JetBrains) and it runs everywhere.

Provided one has 32 GB, with 16 real cores and a 1TB SSD ultra-fast.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by RantyDave »

Thing is, I have stopped expecting Xcode to be any good.

Actual native macOS/iOS development got beaten senseless when the App Store made it clear that "unsustainably low" was the expected price point for third party developers; and that Apple were treating the store more or less as a market research exercise and good ideas absolutely would be stolen.

So it's an internal tool, really. And we're I-guess-lucky that they document it and release it for the proles.

Re: Xcode Is the Worst Piece of Professional Software I Have Ever Used

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Post by BoorishBears »

dkobia wrote: post #26

Swift is actually a really good language let down by its official IDE. Slow build times, laggy autocomplete, random crashes etc. I can’t remember Xcode ever being great to use.

I wish Apple would buy Jetbrains... or maybe even better, sizeable investment in them so they maintain autonomy and build a warchest to survive the current AI wave.

Imagine an AppCode successor that was designed in full partnership with the XCode team? Tantalizing.

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