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Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, so this is all leading to one very specific place: An anarchic society of steampunk airships harvesting Deuterium from the shirtsleeve zone in Venus’ upper atmosphere.

What would they want with it?

To make enough giant H bombs to blow Venus' atmosphere into space?

This scheme would have some negative aspects.

BTW, hydrogen on Mars is enriched in D by a factor of 5 relative to Earth.

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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post #8

Venus does not have a molten core, and there is no magnetic field protecting the atmosphere from the solar winds. This is not likely the sole reason, but it must be a factor. Mercury does have a magnetic field, Mars does not.

Given Venus's atmospheric pressure, I'm not sure that "no magnetic field protecting the atmosphere" is a big part of the story. It's got plenty of atmosphere left.

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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Venus does not have a molten core, and there is no magnetic field protecting the atmosphere from the solar winds. This is not likely the sole reason, but it must be a factor. Mercury does have a magnetic field, Mars does not.

> no magnetic field protecting the atmosphere

Venus has too much atmosphere. That's the problem.

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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post #11
post #8

Venus does not have a molten core, and there is no magnetic field protecting the atmosphere from the solar winds. This is not likely the sole reason, but it must be a factor. Mercury does have a magnetic field, Mars does not.

Mars, interestingly, was just determined to have a core almost identical to Earth’s as I understand it. This is not the sole determinant of course - you still need enough volatiles, enough gravity to maintain a hold on the lightest elements across billions of years, and tectonics to keep refreshing the atmosphere. Unfortunately for us all, Mars has none of those. There may be other significant factors as well.

Without tectonics, is terraforming Mars even possible as a long term solution? This "Mars colonization" strategy seems like a pipe dream, no?

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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post #24
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mars, interestingly, was just determined to have a core almost identical to Earth’s as I understand it. This is not the sole determinant of course - you still need enough volatiles, enough gravity to maintain a hold on the lightest elements across billions of years, and tectonics to keep refreshing the atmosphere. Unfortunately for us all, Mars has none of those. There may be other significant factors as well.

Without tectonics, is terraforming Mars even possible as a long term solution? This "Mars colonization" strategy seems like a pipe dream, no?

Tectonics isn’t the issue

There would be little point in terraforming Mars. There’s plenty of places on Earth to terraform

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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post #24
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mars, interestingly, was just determined to have a core almost identical to Earth’s as I understand it. This is not the sole determinant of course - you still need enough volatiles, enough gravity to maintain a hold on the lightest elements across billions of years, and tectonics to keep refreshing the atmosphere. Unfortunately for us all, Mars has none of those. There may be other significant factors as well.

Without tectonics, is terraforming Mars even possible as a long term solution? This "Mars colonization" strategy seems like a pipe dream, no?

Was it ever anything else then a dream?

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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I don't see any mention of the Theia Impact theory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant-impact_hypothesis - of the Earth/Moon system's formation.

Whether or not Theia was the cause - having a fast-spinning Earth and huge satellite in a low orbit* make Earth's situation profoundly different from that of Venus.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon#System_evolution for starters

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without tectonics, is terraforming Mars even possible as a long term solution? This "Mars colonization" strategy seems like a pipe dream, no?

Tectonics isn’t the issue There would be little point in terraforming Mars. There’s plenty of places on Earth to terraform

Agree. But my understanding is the main idea is Mars is supposed to be a "backup" for humanity in the event of a very-low-probability catastrophic event on earth (total nuclear war, solar flare, meteorite collision).

In our lifetimes, unlikely. Over the next 1 million years? Maybe.

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without tectonics, is terraforming Mars even possible as a long term solution? This "Mars colonization" strategy seems like a pipe dream, no?

Tectonics isn’t the issue There would be little point in terraforming Mars. There’s plenty of places on Earth to terraform

The whole point of Mars (or any other second planet) is redundancy. If something happens to earth we have a backup plan, as a species.

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tectonics isn’t the issue There would be little point in terraforming Mars. There’s plenty of places on Earth to terraform

Agree. But my understanding is the main idea is Mars is supposed to be a "backup" for humanity in the event of a very-low-probability catastrophic event on earth (total nuclear war, solar flare, meteorite collision). In our lifetimes, unlikely. Over the next 1 million years? Maybe.

AFAIK - of those, collision is the only one which could plausibly make earth less habitable than a substantially terraformed mars.
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