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Rails Needs New Governance

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Re: Rails Needs New Governance

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Post by sarchertech »

baggy_trough wrote: post #6

You should be able to work with other people even if they aren't progressive (or right wing, or whatever). Braying "Nazi", "far-right extremist", etc. about pretty conventional mainstream opinions (probably the majority in the United States at this moment) just makes you sound unhinged.

Yeah most of the blog articles the author linked to were very mainstream views that they tried to make sound nefarious. The vast majority of them wouldn’t have been out of place coming from Democratic politicians.

Trying to force the creator of Rails out because he is too centrist is insane.

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

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Post by themafia »

I think invoking a programmers personal blog or points of view to make a point about project governance is wholly inappropriate.

There is absolutely nothing in the way of technical analysis or suggestions and the post even ends admitting that the author doesn't believe there's a tractable way forward.

What was the point of this? You don't personally like DHH? I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion but I don't think this article rises anywhere near a level that could be debated. I can only say "I'm sorry you feel that way."

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

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Post by adamgamble »

I have met both DHH and Tobi in person several times, and although I don’t know them well they have always been warm, kind, and pleasant to be around. Their contributions to the engineering community have been almost immeasurable. So what you disagree with them personally. Who cares? Do you like ruby? Do you like rails? Are you able to build a career doing something you love? Is that not enough?

If you disagree with things he’s done with Rails that’s one thing. But I would strongly suggest you reconsider the notion that he should be removed from leadership on Rails because of all his personal beliefs.

He’s writing a web framework man (along with thousands of other people who may or not agree with him), he’s not directing your personal life. You should strongly reconsider this blog post. One day, the same sort of ire you’re pointing at him will be pointed at you for no reason other than people disagree with you.

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

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Post by giveita »

What does DHH political views have to do with Ruby or Rails?

Sure dont let one person dominate the discussion though, if indeed he is.

Also noticed some of the hyperlinks are not good summaries of the linked thing. That is all I can say as dont want to start tangent, see if you agree.

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

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Post by natch »

I’m super disappointed about this practice of demonizing and mischaracterizing people who care. It’s toxic, and fed by ignorance and unquestioning consumption of one-sided media on insular platforms. The gullible acceptance and regurgitation of false narratives is getting very old.

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

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Post by ThinkBeat »

No need to cause all this drama and taking a piss.

It’s a lot easier to stir up trouble than it is to take responsibility and create something better.

You can fork Rails, create whatever system you want for the leadership and strictly control that there is no rudeness. (from your point of view)

Have a better vision for the code and where it will go next.

Create something much better than any rude anti-intellectual right winger can do.

Right?

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

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Post by aaaAAAaaa_aaa »

sherburt3 wrote: post #11

Open source software is great and all but I just wish that everyone that disagreed with me wasn’t allowed in.

Are you saying this in defense of DHH? If I were trans, I would feel pretty damn unwelcome about contributing to (or even using) a project whose BDFL is posting in support of a "comedian" who says:

> If a trans-identified male is in a female-only space, he is committing a violent, abusive act. Make a scene, call the cops and if all else fails, punch him in the balls.

And that's a tweet that DHH agrees with enough to link to in https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 with the following commentary:

> Most recently, five officers(!) came to arrest comedian Graham Linehan for illicit tweets. When much of the media reports a story like this, it's often without citing the specific words in question, such that the reader might imagine something far worse than what was actually said. So you should actually read the three tweets that landed Linehan in jail, and earned him a legal restraining order against using X. It's grotesque.

Re: Rails Needs New Governance

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Post by bastawhiz »

themafia wrote: post #22

I think invoking a programmers personal blog or points of view to make a point about project governance is wholly inappropriate. There is absolutely nothing in the way of technical analysis or suggestions and the post even ends admitting that the author doesn't believe there's a tractable way forward. What was the point of this? You don't personally like DHH? I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion but I don'…

That's a bold take. The post links to articles that show DHH's full throated hate for:

- Trans people

- Fat people

- People who identify as neurodivergent

And plenty more. Rails governance isn't about reviewing PRs, it's about managing people. And if you show outright disdain (if not hate) for many of those people, how is that affecting your ability to drive the project forward? How much harm are you inflicting on the organization?

This isn't Brendan Eich quietly donating to the Prop 8 campaign, this is much louder. He has an audience. Should I ignore what politicians say on their personal Twitter? Would you trust a school superintendent who posted the same things on their personal blog? I know I certainly wouldn't, and I don't know why an open source project leader would be held to some alternative standard that imagines their role as a purely technical one.

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