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The Washington Post Fired Me – But My Voice Will Not Be Silenced

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Re: The Washington Post Fired Me – But My Voice Will Not Be Silenced

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Post by aredox »

orionsbelt wrote: post #19
muddi900 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except none of these are based on fact. All of this has been addressed elsewhere. DEI is Critical Race Theory is Affirmative Action. It is yet another in a long line of politically correct terms used by the American Right to counch their racism. Charlie Kirk's commentary is no different than Rish Limbaugh.

I am not going to argue that many members of the "American Right" are not racist. Many of them are openly and disgustingly so. But we are talking about half the country, and a group that has as many in-group differences as the left. I am not an expert in Charlie Kirk (I barely knew anything about him a week ago), but from the many many clips I have seen of him since, he seems to me to genuinely not be racist. It's no…

He can you find him not racist, when he is clearly so, and antisemitic, and generally xenophobic all around?

Kirk controlled most of his communication but the mask falls when he is around people on his "side" (podcasts or events).

Re: The Washington Post Fired Me – But My Voice Will Not Be Silenced

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Post by anthony_d »

a_shovel wrote: post #20
orionsbelt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His point is not that black people are less capable but that DEI policies causing looser standards causes people to question whether a particular black person they encounter in a role is sufficiently qualified given those well known looser standards, and that this is bad for everyone, black people included. You can argue he’s still wrong, but it’s quite clear from the various clips that this is what he is arguing. In…

> His point is not that black people are less capable but that DEI policies [cause] looser standards These ideas are equivalent. The belief that employers are lowering their standards in order to include more black people is based on the idea that any additional black person hired must necessarily be less competent than a hypothetical white person who could have been hired instead of them; that is, white supremacy. I…

> > His point is not that black people are less capable but that DEI policies [cause] looser standards > These ideas are equivalent…

You’re grossly failing at basic logic here. One case is describing racism and one being racist. Those things are not the same.

> They don't believe that there are black people who are qualified…

Again, you’re failing at basic reading comprehension but now it looks intentional.

Re: The Washington Post Fired Me – But My Voice Will Not Be Silenced

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Post by muddi900 »

orionsbelt wrote: post #17
muddi900 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In any given conflict, there would be doubt. And one side will have the advantage due to it. Like in sports tv umpiring. Whenever the image is not clear as to what the decision should be, the rules have a carve out on which side whould get the benefit of benefit of that doubt. Otherwise the game will be stuck. In life, where certainty is much more rare, it is a good rule of thumb to handle doubts this way. By OP's ow…

It’s a misquote - in quotation marks! - for which the full video is available and shows it is a misquote.

But has the meaning changed?

Re: The Washington Post Fired Me – But My Voice Will Not Be Silenced

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Post by muddi900 »

orionsbelt wrote: post #19
muddi900 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except none of these are based on fact. All of this has been addressed elsewhere. DEI is Critical Race Theory is Affirmative Action. It is yet another in a long line of politically correct terms used by the American Right to counch their racism. Charlie Kirk's commentary is no different than Rish Limbaugh.

I am not going to argue that many members of the "American Right" are not racist. Many of them are openly and disgustingly so. But we are talking about half the country, and a group that has as many in-group differences as the left. I am not an expert in Charlie Kirk (I barely knew anything about him a week ago), but from the many many clips I have seen of him since, he seems to me to genuinely not be racist. It's no…

I don't think I was arguing for the merits of a quota system. I believe they are not effective. But that was not my point. It is irrelevant what facade is being used. It is just window-dressing for something despicable.

That was my point.

Re: The Washington Post Fired Me – But My Voice Will Not Be Silenced

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Post by muddi900 »

anthony_d wrote: post #22
a_shovel wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> His point is not that black people are less capable but that DEI policies [cause] looser standards These ideas are equivalent. The belief that employers are lowering their standards in order to include more black people is based on the idea that any additional black person hired must necessarily be less competent than a hypothetical white person who could have been hired instead of them; that is, white supremacy. I…

> > His point is not that black people are less capable but that DEI policies [cause] looser standards > These ideas are equivalent… You’re grossly failing at basic logic here. One case is describing racism and one being racist. Those things are not the same. > They don't believe that there are black people who are qualified… Again, you’re failing at basic reading comprehension but now it looks intentional.

Or maybe you are twisting yourself to avoid the text as it is.

Re: The Washington Post Fired Me – But My Voice Will Not Be Silenced

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Post by exolymph »

a_shovel wrote: post #20
orionsbelt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His point is not that black people are less capable but that DEI policies causing looser standards causes people to question whether a particular black person they encounter in a role is sufficiently qualified given those well known looser standards, and that this is bad for everyone, black people included. You can argue he’s still wrong, but it’s quite clear from the various clips that this is what he is arguing. In…

> His point is not that black people are less capable but that DEI policies [cause] looser standards These ideas are equivalent. The belief that employers are lowering their standards in order to include more black people is based on the idea that any additional black person hired must necessarily be less competent than a hypothetical white person who could have been hired instead of them; that is, white supremacy. I…

No they are not equivalent. This came up with James Damore too.

Let's say there's a pool of 20 candidates, 10 male and 10 female. Since more men than women have an abiding interest in engineering, let us posit that 40% of the men are top prospects for the job, and 20% of the women are equally high-quality workers. The company is trying to fill 6 roles and has an internal mandate to hire 50% women. To serve that mandate, 1 unqualified woman will be hired, at the expense of 1 of the qualified men.

You can apply the exact same logic w/r/t race. Yes, there are legacy-of-slavery reasons why fewer blacks than whites are qualified for any given technical credential, but those are upstream of hiring decisions, and are not the job of e.g. airlines to solve, especially not at the expense of lowering standards for a crucial position like pilot.

Re: The Washington Post Fired Me – But My Voice Will Not Be Silenced

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Post by a_shovel »

exolymph wrote: post #26
a_shovel wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> His point is not that black people are less capable but that DEI policies [cause] looser standards These ideas are equivalent. The belief that employers are lowering their standards in order to include more black people is based on the idea that any additional black person hired must necessarily be less competent than a hypothetical white person who could have been hired instead of them; that is, white supremacy. I…

No they are not equivalent. This came up with James Damore too. Let's say there's a pool of 20 candidates, 10 male and 10 female. Since more men than women have an abiding interest in engineering, let us posit that 40% of the men are top prospects for the job, and 20% of the women are equally high-quality workers. The company is trying to fill 6 roles and has an internal mandate to hire 50% women. To serve that manda…

This response is very confused. Lack of interest in the field would result in fewer female applicants, but you're describing equal numbers of applicants. This situation where women are half as likely as men to be qualified is just sexism.

The idea that airlines are passing on qualified white candidates to hire unqualified black candidates to fill a diversity quota, because there aren't enough qualified black candidates to fill it honestly, is a white supremacist conspiracy theory. Real life DEI programs don't let them do that. To a white supremacist, any number of black pilots is "just a few too many" to have hired honestly, and so there must be some hypothetical white people being "stolen" from. See GP.

Re: The Washington Post Fired Me – But My Voice Will Not Be Silenced

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Post by alkyon »

alpha_squared wrote: post #5

From what I'm gathering, the quote she attributes to Kirk appears to not be a statement he made. I'm not able to find a source for that quote anywhere, but I'm also not about to go watch/listen to everything Kirk ever said in case it was never transcribed anywhere. If it is true that Kirk never said that, I would say that definitely compromises the trust in her as a journalist. And I'm saying this as someone who is o…

Here you have it: https://twitter.com/i/status/1965931096539017536

The late Mr. Kirk was seriously messed up.

Re: The Washington Post Fired Me – But My Voice Will Not Be Silenced

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Post by tim333 »

alkyon wrote: post #28
alpha_squared wrote: post #5

From what I'm gathering, the quote she attributes to Kirk appears to not be a statement he made. I'm not able to find a source for that quote anywhere, but I'm also not about to go watch/listen to everything Kirk ever said in case it was never transcribed anywhere. If it is true that Kirk never said that, I would say that definitely compromises the trust in her as a journalist. And I'm saying this as someone who is o…

Here you have it: https://twitter.com/i/status/1965931096539017536 The late Mr. Kirk was seriously messed up.

Meh. The text quote is not what Kirk says. I hate that style of trying to win an argument by lying about what they said.

Re: The Washington Post Fired Me – But My Voice Will Not Be Silenced

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Post by dudefeliciano »

orionsbelt wrote: post #19
muddi900 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except none of these are based on fact. All of this has been addressed elsewhere. DEI is Critical Race Theory is Affirmative Action. It is yet another in a long line of politically correct terms used by the American Right to counch their racism. Charlie Kirk's commentary is no different than Rish Limbaugh.

I am not going to argue that many members of the "American Right" are not racist. Many of them are openly and disgustingly so. But we are talking about half the country, and a group that has as many in-group differences as the left. I am not an expert in Charlie Kirk (I barely knew anything about him a week ago), but from the many many clips I have seen of him since, he seems to me to genuinely not be racist. It's no…

this "half the country" statistic needs to stop being thrown around, of the eligible voters only 64% actually voted, of those about 50% voted republican. Not even a a third of the country.
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